# The new design is clunky, a waste of space and lacks old features **URL:** \ **Category:** Forum Feedback & Requests\ **Created:** [June 20, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763 "2017-06-20T14:15:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Arline\_Kley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arline_kley/32/466734_2.png) [@Arline\_Kley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arline_Kley)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/121 "2017-06-23T16:42:14Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/1/1f8d7ced9bf1e906ee087da6fc579fad602a5d13.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Drizzd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drizzd/32/17704_2.png) [@Drizzd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drizzd)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/122 "2017-06-23T20:06:22Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > Actually, it should be pretty quick. It doesn’t load everything at once. well if only that WAS the case … as it appears either because of lacking server hardware or whatever … this forum feels way slower than the current one …I sit on a 16 mbit DSL -line and it feels like loading stuff out of a 33600 baud modem or even slower … maybe partly because the loading is done in javascript I also dont know if things can be sped up or not … but as it stands now … browsing this forum is a pita - especially when you want to catch up not only on a single thread or sub-category but instead on a lot of threads in several categories ---
**Author:** ![Morrigan\_Laima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrigan_laima/32/12340_2.png) [@Morrigan\_Laima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrigan_Laima)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/123 "2017-06-23T20:19:56Z")
Feels extremely crisp and responsive to me, and while browsing the forums, don’t really see more than 500Kb/s of traffic from the browser. I strongly suspect something else is slowing it down for you. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Stall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_stall/32/12239_2.png) [@ISD\_Stall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Stall)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/124 "2017-06-23T22:21:16Z")
Personally, I can read these forums on my 3G data connection when I am not at my home computer and it is still faster than the old ones. If you’re having issues where things load slowly, I would check to see if you have any plugins that slow down Java Script as that may be causing the problem. As a final pointer, Discourse forums are written using Java Script and Ruby on Rails. The nice thing about Java is that tasks are handled client side, this reduces a significant load on the servers and means that the forums can handle larger threads. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/125 "2017-06-23T23:05:36Z")
So you’re saying CCP is now allowing single page topics with pics links and whatever else this mobile app allows - Then they are going to moderate large threads, which is simply “removing” player posted content. That sounds pretty bad for those who get moderated out because most of the ISD’s don’t have a clue what moderation is - In my years of experience, many of the ISD’s “moderate” based on personal preferences - So, if one doesn’t like what you have to say in a threadnought (which eve forums are famous for) it gets “moderated” out… Personally I think the idea of allowing users to post “fluff” is a really bad idea but it seems others like to see a cat fall off a table into a garbage bin. Eventually the “fluff” will get moderated out or we simply end up with threads of endless spam. As we all know most Eve players have no idea what self moderation is, so when one guy posts a cat meme in a thread about, EG; “what is your favorite ship”, all those who like cat memes will start posting theirs - What you end up with is a lot of spam that can detract from thread content. Give an Eve user an inch - He or She will always take a mile. ---
**Author:** ![Spc\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spc_one/32/399501_2.png) [@Spc\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spc_One)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/126 "2017-06-24T01:00:44Z")
I hate this new design, so much space wasted, very confusing choosing the right button to reply. Old forums were much more cleaner and better. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Drizzd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drizzd/32/17704_2.png) [@Drizzd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drizzd)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/127 "2017-06-24T01:05:55Z")
yea … so crisp it just crashed … for the 8th time or so … just when I tried to scroll with the mouse-wheel … an apparent weakness as it seems … maybe the internal caching mechanism has problems keeping up … don’t want to know what happens when I enable page-scrolling instead of line-scrolling … my new mouse has such a nice button right next to the mouse-wheel ---
**Author:** ![Morrigan\_Laima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrigan_laima/32/12340_2.png) [@Morrigan\_Laima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrigan_Laima)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/128 "2017-06-24T01:31:15Z")
also, for the record, as far as wasted space, the old and the new are very comparable, at least on my monitor. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/c/ce1ea817e46fa8d8bb6563d4b3996afd6c97f81b.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Drizzd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drizzd/32/17704_2.png) [@Drizzd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drizzd)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/129 "2017-06-24T01:32:35Z")
not if you consider font-size and page style … there the new one clearly wastes space … and I still miss all the neat info about the poster that the old forum held ready … corp + alliance … collected likes … may seem not important … but tells me a lot about the value of the post I’m reading ---
**Author:** ![Morrigan\_Laima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrigan_laima/32/12340_2.png) [@Morrigan\_Laima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrigan_Laima)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/130 "2017-06-24T01:33:09Z")
I’d expect that in most cases, the moderators will moderate by hiding/editing, which leaves a visible audit trail. ---
**Author:** ![Morrigan\_Laima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrigan_laima/32/12340_2.png) [@Morrigan\_Laima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrigan_Laima)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/131 "2017-06-24T01:36:17Z")
I’m hoping corp’alliance info will be added to user cards soon too, but there is [a workaround for now](https://meta.eveonline.com/t/js-userscript-show-corporation-alliance/5139). ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Stall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_stall/32/12239_2.png) [@ISD\_Stall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Stall)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/132 "2017-06-24T01:54:12Z")
In relation to Corporation and Alliance information, take a look at CCP Avalon’s post. [https://meta.eveonline.com/t/missing-the-display-of-corp-and-alliance-in-the-profile/3674/11?u=isd\_stall](https://meta.eveonline.com/t/missing-the-display-of-corp-and-alliance-in-the-profile/3674/11?u=isd_stall) ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/133 "2017-06-24T06:05:41Z")
Not having to press F5 is exactly the thing I hate. Because that means there is stuff going on in the background and I definitely don’t want to have a forum taking away precious ram and cpu resources ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_LaForge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jean_laforge/32/381493_2.png) [@Jean\_LaForge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jean_LaForge)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/134 "2017-06-24T08:14:43Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > Because that means there is stuff going on in the background and I definitely don’t want to have a forum taking away precious ram and cpu resources LOL, it’s 1994 again. ---
**Author:** ![Drizzd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drizzd/32/17704_2.png) [@Drizzd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drizzd)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/135 "2017-06-24T08:15:07Z")
heh … this forum runs almost entirely in the viewer’s browser ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/136 "2017-06-24T11:36:29Z")
As does most of the malware. As I wrote earlier in this thread the forum does not run at all on my pc at home and my guess is its due to the Javascript stuff I don’t allow to run. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/137 "2017-06-24T11:38:55Z")
I don’t have a problem with that, in fact, I would have less problems if it really was 1994 ---
**Author:** ![Morrigan\_Laima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrigan_laima/32/12340_2.png) [@Morrigan\_Laima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrigan_Laima)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/138 "2017-06-24T12:28:49Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > Not having to press F5 is exactly the thing I hate. Because that means there is stuff going on in the background and I definitely don’t want to have a forum taking away precious ram and cpu resources For me, at the moment, that’s 0.9% CPU, a peak of 100Kbps bandwidth for a few ms every now and then, and 37MB out of Firefox’s usage. If that’s really a problem, I kindly suggest not browsing the web on your Commodore 64, it’s 2017, the 80s called and want their dinosaur of a computer back. ---
**Author:** ![Sky\_Marshal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sky_marshal/32/248701_2.png) [@Sky\_Marshal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sky_Marshal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/139 "2017-06-24T13:06:01Z")
After a small test on my old Galaxy S4, indeed this forum looks great on mobile phones… but it is slow even with a 3G+ connection, and it is even slower when external images must be loaded like post #121 of this topic (1.7 MB). And as I feared, it does cost serious amount of data as they aren’t blocked in any way, no option exists for that. A forum to avoid with old hardware and mobile account with few data, unless we can get the same behaviour about images than the old forum =\> as links. Images aren’t as important than words anyway, especially to see a stupid blender. ---
**Author:** ![Morrigan\_Laima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrigan_laima/32/12340_2.png) [@Morrigan\_Laima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrigan_Laima)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763/140 "2017-06-24T13:10:45Z")
Would definitely be better if the images were either heavily compressed with the ability to lightbox the original version when clicked, or could be click-to-load for mobiles and other metered connections. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-new-design-is-clunky-a-waste-of-space-and-lacks-old-features/3763.md?page=8)