# The nightmare that is 'ASSET SAFETY' **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000 "2018-02-27T00:52:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/41 "2018-03-21T23:18:26Z")
I’m beginning to think that Whitehound has a multi billion isk asset safety problem because someone took their station down which he can’t afford because he forgot trust is a weakness rather than him arguing the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/42 "2018-03-21T23:19:58Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > You do realise the owner has to go through several timers, spend a whole lot of isk, and convince you to use their structure to cause you a bill? > > It’s not like it’s effort free for a structure owner either, and their structure is at risk in several ways. > > So lets not pretend that the owner has nothing at risk, and that you can’t blow it up the next time they put it up in revenge either. The owner can take taxes to cover the costs, thereby taking it from the tenants. Only the way it is now is there always a cost for the tenants, even when the owner wanted to cover the costs, which he can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/43 "2018-03-21T23:28:14Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > I’m beginning to think … No, you’re not thinking, you’re still only trolling. Discuss the topic, mate. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/44 "2018-03-21T23:29:54Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Discuss the topic, mate. > [@Whitehound](#): > > I’m well aware you cannot give a good explanation when you don’t have one, but at least admit it to yourself. > [@Whitehound](#): > > What I don’t understand is why one player - the owner of the structure - should have the ability to cause a lot of other players a massive bill for no good reason. > [@MinerArt](#): > > “No good reason” is basically “I disagree with your reason” We could discuss the topic or we can discuss what is acceptable for a reason to you. Considering that you decided that no reason is acceptable before we started that allows other players to inflict A.S. on you would mean there is nothing to discuss without all reasons being rejected. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/45 "2018-03-21T23:31:28Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > We could discuss the topic or we can discuss what is acceptable for a reason to you. Just stick to the topic or we’ll discuss your inability to reason next. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/46 "2018-03-21T23:41:03Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Just stick to the topic or we’ll discuss your inability to reason next. Then we can agree that a player in control of a station has full right to inflict asset safety upon any of the people renting it because they can. You give them this ability. Trust is a weakness. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/47 "2018-03-21T23:49:36Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Then we can agree that a player in control of a station has full right … No. This isn’t the point of this part of the forum. We’re not here to agree or to accept to the circumstances as they currently are, but we are here to discuss ideas and suggestions for changes. Let us know when you’ve caught up to this fact. And when you cannot reason then that’s your fault. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/48 "2018-03-21T23:52:02Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > We’re not here to agree or to accept to the circumstances as they currently are, but we are here to discuss ideas and suggestions for changes. Then why did you bring it up? > [@Whitehound](#): > > What I don’t understand is why one player - the owner of the structure - should have the ability to cause a lot of other players a massive bill for no good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/49 "2018-03-21T23:52:43Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Then why did you bring it up? Bring what up? You mean why I’m looking for a reasoning? ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/50 "2018-03-22T00:41:54Z")
People won’t have time for you if you are always angry or complaining. - Stephen Hawking @ISD_Buldath would you be so kind? Sorry to have need of your time. It’s a shame that even eve’s own video is not acceptable evidence of why people do things. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/51 "2018-03-22T01:54:25Z")
The only ones complaining about Asset Safety are those who want all the loot from a destroyed station. I personally have already used the Asset Safety and was able to ensure that over 200 million made it safely to a location of my choice after the Citadel was destroyed rather than losing it too Titan gate camps and similar drops. Asset Wrap is a good thing. Just like the old saying goes “Don’t fly what you can’t afford.” “Don’t wrap what you can’t afford to ship.” ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/52 "2018-03-22T02:35:05Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > People won’t have time for you … So you’re really asking me why I’m looking for a reasoning … It’s what people do. They question things. They analyse, they propose, they reason and they discuss. What you’re doing might perhaps best be explained to you by an ISD. Now, if you cannot give a good explanation then we’re done here. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/53 "2018-03-22T03:25:36Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Now, if you cannot give a good explanation then we’re done here. So you can reject it again? > **[Denialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism)** > > In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth. Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of a historical experience or event when a person refuses to accept an empirically verifiable reality. > In the sciences, denialism is the rejection of basic facts and concepts that are undisputed, well-supported parts of the scientific consensus on a subject, in favor of ideas that... ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-nightmare-that-is-asset-safety/60000/54 "2018-06-20T03:25:47Z")
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