# The Noctis - no longer fit for purpose imo **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** salvaging\ **Created:** [August 23, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399 "2025-08-23T18:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/21 "2025-08-26T05:44:31Z")
The idea is to use both. But yea against tougher wrecks drones aren’t as useful as salvagers. The T2 drones are still surprisingly effective though with over 20% success chance against T2 player wrecks at specialization level 4+. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/22 "2025-08-26T07:51:15Z")
Also the thing about salvagers is if the wrecks are spread all over you only need to pass a wreck and be within 5 or 6 km (depending on tech level) when you activate the module but can be far away when the cycle finishes. So you can basically zip through the grid MWD on (assuming cap stable) unless there are groups of wrecks together but even then you can turn MWD on and off as needed. All you have to make sure (by using as many and best salvagers as you can to maximize your chances) that you actually succeed with the cycle as otherwise you have to go back. With some practice a high velocity salvager frigate can be very safe even on a grid located in hostile space. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/23 "2025-08-26T08:53:10Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > you only need to pass a wreck and be within 5 or 6 km (depending on tech level) when you activate the module but can be far away when the cycle finishes. That’s new to me! I assumed you had to be in range when it finishes too like mining. Good to know! It still is useful to be within range to start a possible second cycle, but with a max-salvaging chance fit zooming past wrecks may be a viable option. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/24 "2025-08-26T09:21:20Z")
Also the more salvagers on a single wreck the better chance at least one succeeds. This is why zooming past is only really viable if the wrecks are sparse. But as I wrote you can stop at the wreck groups and zoom past single wrecks. Still faster than stopping at every single one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Secue\_Nahrnid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/secue_nahrnid/32/450274_2.png) [@Secue\_Nahrnid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Secue_Nahrnid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/25 "2025-08-26T11:22:20Z")
when ninja salvaging with hostiles on grid or the possibility of them coming back, i have tractor beams as well as a salvager on my sunesis. So i’ll tractor two wrecks, and align to a safe, a station or perch, then salvage one then the other dragging them with the tractor while remaining aligned. if a bad comes to get me i immediatley warp. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/26 "2025-08-26T12:12:18Z")
All that stuff sounds… well… extremely inefficient. I have a lot of imagination, but I really doubt more than a handful of people in the whole game would really enjoy this kind of “ninja-salvaging”, given the extremely low return value in ISK compared to the time invested (including finding such places, evading hostiles etc. pp…). So, not really sure if it is worth the development effort. @topic _IF_ CCP should decide to touch this stuff, I’d absulutely leave the Noctis as it is and just add a Variant of the Expedition Frigates designed as salvager. > “Scavenger” > > 4 High Slots > 3 Med Slot > 3 Low Slots > > Mining (ORE) Frigate Boni: > > - 3% Access Difficulty Bonus for Salvagers per skill level (total +15%, to offset the fact that it can only fit 2 rigs, where a T1 ship could fit 3x Salvage Tackle II) > - 5% reduction in ship signature radius > > Expedition Frigate Boni: > > - 10% Salvager Cycle time reduction per skill level (total -50% = 2.5sek, = 4 effective Salvagers when fitting 2 + Tractor + Cloak, 6 when fitting 3 + Tractor/Cloak, 8 when only fitting Salvagers) > - 30% Tractor Beam range and veloctiy bonus per skill level (total +150% = 60km Tractor range, 1500m/s tractoring speed) > > Role Bonus: > > - Covert Cloak Something like that… ---
**Author:** ![Secue\_Nahrnid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/secue_nahrnid/32/450274_2.png) [@Secue\_Nahrnid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Secue_Nahrnid)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/27 "2025-08-27T20:51:11Z")
Its not low isk at all dude, i’ve made 20 billion in the last month or so doing this in nullsec. well, thats not low isk to me anyway, i know there are space rich dudes out there. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/28 "2025-08-27T21:06:15Z")
_If_ that is true, this value for sure doesn’t come from salvaging, but from looting extremely valuable deadspace items from some wrecks. And this has nothing to do with the Noctis or a Salvaging Frig, you could have looted the same with just any fast ship. There is pretty much no way you can convince me that you ninja_salvaged_ 20B from wrecks, especially not with hostiles around. And even more important: IF that all is true, why do you need a better ship to do it, the existing ones seem to be _incredibly_ efficient? -\_- Story seems to have quite a lot of plotholes… ---
**Author:** ![Dyfchris1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyfchris1/32/462477_2.png) [@Dyfchris1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyfchris1)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/29 "2025-08-29T20:11:08Z")
If you are not happy about the noctis, don’t use it. Let my noctis as it is. But why not a tech 2 version of that noctis. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/30 "2025-09-24T00:06:56Z")
Maybe a newer, more sleek Noctis with better align times with the drawback of reduced drones, only three, and fewer slots might work. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/31 "2025-09-24T05:52:02Z")
Why would you want to remove drones and slots from the Noctis? Why not use those low slots to get the better align time you want? ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/32 "2025-12-14T11:32:53Z")
> [@High Security Space Toxicity concerning MTU's](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-security-space-toxicity-concerning-mtus/502912/154): > > If the MTU were changed to a high-slot module, the Noctis could potentially regain its role as an essential ship with the appropriate bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/33 "2025-12-14T22:07:38Z")
The Noctis was cool upon arrival but is just taking up ship volume at this point. The Noctis could be repurposed to combat to the Tholos and to a lesser degree, the Cenotaph. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/34 "2025-12-14T23:12:39Z")
The Noctis is a salvaging ship. With tractor beam bonuses. An industrial ship. How? Just why? What makes you think this Noctis is in any way supposed to be a ship to ‘combat the Tholos and to a lesser degree, the Cenotaph’? Even if EVE needs a ship specifically to fight Deathless ships (_which sounds like a really strange idea already as generally ships in this game aren’t designed to be just a counter to one specific other ship)_, then why would that ship be… the Noctis? Why not create a new type of **combat ship** for such a role? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/35 "2025-12-14T23:39:22Z")
Look who posted that, that should tell you enough ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/36 "2025-12-15T01:24:43Z")
Did you even read the comment. Repurpose. Do you know what repurpose means? Repurpose is when taken something, like a car with a hatchback and convert the hatch into the section of a tent. Or a truck that is meant to haul stuff but can be used to put a camper in the back of. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/37 "2025-12-15T01:25:45Z")
Typical response. ---
**Author:** ![Kestrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kestrix/32/420684_2.png) [@Kestrix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kestrix)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/38 "2025-12-15T02:38:31Z")
Use a destroyer. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/39 "2025-12-15T04:00:13Z")
👆 👆 👆 Spend the time to train Salvaging 5 so you can use Salvager 2s. Those and a full rig of Tackle pushes your salvaging chance up to 80% on any ship you put them on. Tractor beams don’t need any kind of bonuses because you should have a MWD on your salvage destroyer moving you at over 1km/s around the grid. Zoom the camera out, start at one end of the field of wrecks. Tractor everything in range, move back into the field, repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399/40 "2025-12-15T17:10:43Z")
OP Suggests buffing the noctis because a destroyer is better for looting at the moment. There are several responses suggesting to use a destroyer. And i would like to understand what is happening in their brain to give that suggestion. It seems like they agree the Noctis is bad for looting, but they dont agree it should be buffed [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-noctis-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-imo/496399.md?page=3)