# The only way to fix broken isk vs reward hi sec ganks **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 21, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821 "2020-08-21T13:33:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Da\_Butcher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/da_butcher/32/225177_2.png) [@Da\_Butcher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Da_Butcher)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/1 "2020-08-21T13:33:10Z")
Remove throw away free accounts Change CONCORD / Stations / Gates to auto 1 shot kill and pod for the same as the current sec rules - Security status of -2.0 or below means you’ll be insta podded in █ 1.0 systems. - Security status of -2.5 or below means you’ll be insta podded in █ 0.9 systems. - Security status of -3.0 or below means you’ll be insta podded in █ 0.8 systems. - Security status of -3.5 or below means you’ll be insta podded in █ 0.7 systems. - Security status of -4.0 or below means you’ll be insta podded in █ 0.6 systems. - Security status of -4.5 or below means you’ll be insta podded in █ 0.5 systems. Nothing stopping you doing it, so choose your targets carefully. If you want to keep doing it you will have to go build your sec back up. No throw away free account, where you can just move to the next account and keep going infinitely transferring your resources to new free accounts. Actual risk vs reward with real consequences. Not the current, zero risk no real consequences vs rewards. ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/2 "2020-08-21T13:40:37Z")
You know that most gankers use omega accounts? They can just buy tags to fix the SS back up and they already do that. Also, what do you mean by “broken risk reward”? ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/3 "2020-08-21T13:45:37Z")
You sound rather butthurt, but your idea is not without some merit. Podding by security forces sounds fun but differentiated between concord status and empire status - and at much higher extremes -9/10 area More a RP style thing But then you’ll have to think about clones and station access and and and… CCP have been making these things easier, so not going to happen… ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/4 "2020-08-21T13:46:55Z")
> [@Hink\_Yaken](#): > > Also, what do you mean by “broken risk reward”? I’ll assume cost v loot - can be very lucrative, although people with vested interests always seem to try and deny it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/5 "2020-08-21T13:57:26Z")
pffft, podding is stupid, for the most part what career ganker do you think runs around in implants? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/6 "2020-08-21T13:59:02Z")
> [@Da\_Butcher](#): > > No throw away free account, where you can just move to the next account and keep going infinitely transferring your resources to new free accounts. What are you talking about? The gank squad that smoked your Rattlesnake in Sheroo is largely made up of characters created many years ago with a constant history of highsec criminal activity. In fact, there are some very famous CODE agents in that killmail, all -10 that I see meaning they aren’t recycling characters. As to the rest of this unoriginal, run-to-the-forums-after-I-lost-something-post, well I’m not sure we need to go there yet again. Or at least I don’t have the patience now. Working as intended. Just get good. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/7 "2020-08-21T14:10:46Z")
Ironic name for a forum whiner. ---
**Author:** ![Da\_Butcher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/da_butcher/32/225177_2.png) [@Da\_Butcher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Da_Butcher)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/8 "2020-08-21T14:41:26Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > What are you talking about? The gank squad that smoked your Rattlesnake in Sheroo is largely made up of characters created many years with a constant history of highsec criminal activity. In fact, there are some very famous CODE agents in that killmail, all -10 that I see meaning they aren’t recycling characters. Yeah a couple real accounts + x free gank bot accounts fed by free gank isk injectors They are -10 but they wouldn’t like there precious time used repairing there sec to gank again. Yeah you could pay your gank bots like your main character with PLEX with your burgeoning isk wallet, but that would soon depreciate and having to repair sec on all your gank bots, boy that would sting wouldn’t it! As you don’t have implants, the podding would be fine then as it’s not really going to affect you. lol ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/9 "2020-08-21T15:24:54Z")
There isn’t a problem here, so there isn’t anything to “fix”. ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/10 "2020-08-21T16:02:24Z")
Not a thing about the OP sounded even the slightest “butthurt”. WOW-speak ain’t allowed. The obvious truth is better. If you wanna pirate; pirate! Just pay the price - death penalty; no woosified timer. Just have the sovereign authority exact penalty for interdicting the nation’s economic well-being. No tortured logic here, no convoluted alteration of dynamics with a labrynth of if/then rules and judgment. You pirate in sovereign space you ded. You loot the victim ship, now a crime scene, you ded. NO LOOT, damn skippy. All your isk is forfeit on the assumption you made it illegally. Go roll another toon. Make high sec HIGH SEC instead of the namby pamby schoolroom knuckle rap it is now. GUARUNTEE: The risk averse cowards who do it will wind up in null, or low (or, better yet, go back to WOW where they belong). Null, where they’d straight up pay the piper; where payment is sho nuff extracted. Or, just lose the meaningless backstory where uber powrful creatures of might, untouchable CEOs and glorious royalty…do nothing. Take down the logos on the jumpgates. Or, better yet, put the truth as it is now: Ganker Sov throughout high sec. Not Minmatar, not Caldari, not Amarr, not galloping Gallente. No. The under-achieving marginally-performing do-nothings rule THIS space. Give it a fancy name. Call it “Emergent Gameplay.” The paying customers will love it! No…wait. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/11 "2020-08-21T16:30:15Z")
im not sure you understand ganking at all, the people that ganked you were all Omega so they are already paying for the accounts, also you can not have alpha and omega online at the same time or even more than one alpha so im not sure what you are on about. If they were fixing their sec by buying tags then you would be paying for that from your loot that drops so no problem there. And ive no problem being podded after a gank 😃 gets me home to reship faster. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/12 "2020-08-21T16:56:35Z")
CPP NEED TOO FIX GFRIENG IT IS GETTING REDICULUS!! THEY SHOULD JUST BAN THGE GREIFER GANKERS BECAUSE ITS DUMB TO ALLOW SOME1 TO BREAK THE LAW LIKE THAT IF YOUR THE DEVELOPER…CPP PLEASE WAKE UP & FIX UR GAME BEFOR ALL TEH PLAYER LEFT FOR A GAME WERE THEY DO RESPECTED BY THE DEVS, AND U WILL LOST ALL YOURE MONEY! ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/13 "2020-08-21T16:57:40Z")
stop talking about ganking ganking is RARE and its not the game problem grow a pair , most of the people who complain about ganking got ganked once that time i lost that ship 😢😢 ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/14 "2020-08-21T16:58:06Z")
Not quite long enough to make a proper copypasta, unfortunately. Maybe a few more paragraphs? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/15 "2020-08-21T16:59:52Z")
i know most idiots don’t have a active killboard but the gankers have wen i search your name on zkill and you are not there well … stop pretending you got ganked ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/16 "2020-08-21T17:00:37Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Not quite long enough to make a proper copypasta, unfortunately. Maybe a few more paragraphs? STFU GREEFER ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/17 "2020-08-21T17:06:59Z")
Who’s quitting this time? Or are we all just whining about whining yet again? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/18 "2020-08-21T17:09:45Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > Ironic name for a forum whiner. Ironic name for someone who is no longer relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/19 "2020-08-21T17:12:22Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > There isn’t a problem here, so there isn’t anything to “fix”. If there wasn’t a problem, you wouldn’t be trying so hard to preempt any discussion by being a dick and getting these threads locked. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821/20 "2020-08-21T17:16:34Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > threads locked. insta locked [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-only-way-to-fix-broken-isk-vs-reward-hi-sec-ganks/261821.md?page=2)