# The Orca **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [July 4, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809 "2021-07-04T20:45:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/777 "2021-07-29T19:30:45Z")
> [@WindRider9](#): > > oh snap, i think you are right, there was a passive boost before. I forgot about that … > what was it originally? The really big change was the range, before you could boost while transporting ore, now it has a range. I think it got a bit of a buff at that time but really because they broke the hauler miner dynamic it was hardly a compensation. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/778 "2021-07-29T19:35:11Z")
> [@WindRider9](#): > > Curious what that could be… > > Mini moon drill ? 😛 Now I have goosebumps after reading that… dam ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/779 "2021-07-29T20:20:47Z")
> [@WindRider9](#): > > Mini moon drill ? 😛 I can see it work! **Mini moon drill** Equippable on hull type: Orca _Activate to break loose an asteroid-sized chunk of a moon and drag it into position in the course of a twelve hour cycle time. The ship is locked in place and unable to warp for that duration. Bring something to drink._ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/780 "2021-07-29T21:16:39Z")
> [@Arumi\_Liz](#): > > People like this guy is why my advice to all in this thread is to keep secret any technique or method of isk generation you find/develop. People like this guy will literally crab you. If it’s detrimental to the game and has no meaningful choices or risk/reward, yes it should be. Mwah ha ha ha ha. Edit- how’s your COD game going? ---
**Author:** ![WindRider9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/windrider9/32/280759_2.png) [@WindRider9](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WindRider9)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/781 "2021-07-29T21:36:31Z")
Mini moon drill with nuke warheads. Just a quick nuke to the moon surface and tractor field. LOL Think of the fun that would be… haha I’ll give back the drones, just give me a nuke! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![WindRider9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/windrider9/32/280759_2.png) [@WindRider9](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WindRider9)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/782 "2021-07-29T21:54:39Z")
Does anyone remember what the passive system wide bonus was on the orca before command bursts were added? I remember they were parked on the side of an NPC station for the entire corp. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/783 "2021-07-29T22:48:38Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Mwah ha ha ha ha! > I like to hurt CCP’s income because of personal feelings and memes. > Mwah ha ha ha ha! > Now if you excuse me I’m on my way to play solitare. You will be at the rate you’re going but I suspect you’re one of those people who actually hate the game and those are the last people that CCP should be listening to. Like crabs in a bucket if someone is trying to climb out you’re that crab that pulls them back. ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/784 "2021-07-29T22:49:06Z")
I literally didn’t care because they weren’t worth it back then. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/785 "2021-07-30T09:10:27Z")
> [@Arumi\_Liz](#): > > I suspect you’re one of those people who actually hate the game and those are the last people that CCP should be listening to. Compared to someone literally asking for power creep? Ok… ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/786 "2021-07-30T13:59:49Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > asking for CCP to do their jobs, yes. Like I said before, all power creep is not the same and its not always a bad thing. Some things just aren’t what they should be. Barges and exhumers are tedious, slow, and extremely vulnerable. It isnt that the orca is ahead, they are behind. Your perspective is the opposite, and I respect that. You’re flat wrong though. Those ships are a pain in the ass to use as intended and the ones that mine relatively quickly are incredibly easy to gank even in 1.0. They are severely lacking. Their shortcomings are the reason they aren’t utilized more often. I hate to keep using the same example, but no amount of nerfing assault frigs was going to get me out of an enyo and into a taranis. Except in the hypothetical case that they literally made them useless, which did not happen. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/787 "2021-07-30T14:27:35Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > It isnt that the orca is ahead, they are behind. That’s a matter of perspective and both of those perspectives can be correct. It all depends on the question: is the amount of ore entering the game OK? Do we need more or less ore to enter the game to fulfil current demands? As there is no shortage of ships on the market, even while we’re in the shortage phase, we can conclude that the amount of ore entering the game is fine. Therefore the yield in general does not need to be increased. That means that of the two perspectives mentioned earlier the correct perspective is: the barges are fine as they are and the Orca is ahead of where it should be and should be nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/788 "2021-07-30T14:37:24Z")
Except your assumptions, because that’s what they are, are based on your opinion of what is or is not enough. Youre only seeing part of the picture. Think for a second. Production is down overall. Demand is down. Scarcity doesn’t make a ■■■■ if nobody is building, buying, losing ships. It just isn’t happening like it should. Trit has plummeted in value, why? Because demand has fallen sharply. They need to unfuck t1 battleships and faction subs if you want to see production jump back somewhat to where it was. Not to mention capital production is happening in one off scenarios now. The glut of mins created by these changes isn’t the miners fault. They’re just doing what they’ve always done. The supply is plenty’ish now solely because production isn’t happening. If people come back to the game and start building again it absolutely will not be. Zoom out a bit and look again. Edit: I’m not saying to increase individual yield anyway. Where did you get that? We will need more people doing it, but the individual yield is not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/789 "2021-07-30T14:53:49Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Edit: I’m not saying to increase individual yield anyway. Where did you get that? We will need more people doing it, but the individual yield is not an issue. I got that from what you said about barge yield: > [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > It isnt that the orca is ahead, they are behind. I interpret that as "buff the yield of barges rather than nerfing the yield of the Orca. > [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Production is down overall. Demand is down. Scarcity doesn’t make a ■■■■ if nobody is building, buying, losing ships. It just isn’t happening like it should. Trit has plummeted in value, why? Because demand has fallen sharply. They need to unfuck t1 battleships and faction subs if you want to see production jump back somewhat to where it was. I don’t follow your logic. Demand is down, so you conclude that we need to increase supply? That’s not how supply and demand work. If demand is low, raising the supply will lower the demand even more. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/790 "2021-07-30T14:58:05Z")
You miss the part there about unfucking t1 and faction production? Bc between that, the low af pcu, and the whole nobody is building caps thing there is where the glut is coming from. I also intentionally did not mention a specific buff I’d like to see for barges and exhumers. I’d like to see them get something that makes them more desirable to fly, survivability, or even something special. Their yield is fine. Nobody has been bitching about their yield. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/791 "2021-07-30T15:12:44Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > You miss the part there about unfucking t1 and faction production? We recently had an update that solved the problems within t1 and faction production, decoupling them from capital production prices. It is unfucked now, all we need is to wait for the capital prices to stabilize while stockpiles are used up and then it will be worth it to build caps as well. > [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Their yield is fine. Nobody has been bitching about their yield. Then why did you say: > [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Barges and exhumers are tedious, slow, and extremely vulnerable. It isnt that the orca is ahead, they are behind. If you’re not talking about yield, then you’re talking about how they’re slow in space, correct? I don’t agree that that needs to change: barges are the mining ships of choice. Mining is not an activity in which you need ship speed and agility, so those barges aren’t designed to be quick and agile, that’s what we have mining frigates for. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/792 "2021-07-30T15:27:13Z")
Given the amount if times you’ve demonstrated that you don’t really know what you’re talking about when it comes to the orca and how it’s used, and how much you care about the Orca despite claiming to not use it yourself and how you lobby for a practice which is widely regarded as game spoiling…I’m gonna go ahead and say you’re one of the people @Arumi_Liz is talking about when they say the devs shouldn’t listen to some players. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/793 "2021-07-30T16:17:29Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > why did you say Because they are. Not in yield though, they outpace the orca by a fair margin in yield. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > devs shouldn’t listen They already don’t, it doesn’t matter who you are or what you’re telling them. Ask your csm members, they’ll tell you. This is not new. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It is unfucked now Lmfao, thats why production is up? That why almost no battleships were printed in the forge this month? That’s why people stopped producing faction hulls and heavily favor, almost exclusively, lp farming for built hulls now? Caps will level out at astronomical, production is prohibitively expensive. Even Evan isn’t whelping caps at these prices. Yeah seems completely unfucked to me. Good job ccp! Everything is as it should be, nobody building, nobody logging in, nobody using their expensive toys. Perfection. Heavy sigh… Except it isnt, at all. It’s ■■■■■■■ broken. If you dont see it I can’t help you. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/794 "2021-07-30T16:45:24Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Lmfao, thats why production is up? That why almost no battleships were printed in the forge this month? That’s because people printed ships en masse in preparation for the industry changes, so the stockpiles will last quite a while before it becomes profitable again to build certain hulls like capitals. Have some patience. Yes, this means that capital prices will be more expensive than they were before. And that’s a good thing, capital proliferation was an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/795 "2021-07-30T17:01:55Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > capital proliferation Is not a magic wand you can wave around to justify shitting on unrelated ships and processes. Rorqs did that, not Orcas, not t1 battleships, and certainly not faction subs. Gtfo with that ■■■■. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > people printed ships en masse Less than you might think. Production numbers are not secret, we have access to most of that data. People loaded their slots with caps not t1 battleships and faction subs for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Olorion\_Endergard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olorion_endergard/32/300165_2.png) [@Olorion\_Endergard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olorion_Endergard)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/796 "2021-07-30T17:07:22Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > 2 years of nerfing miners and indy players has only driving paying customers from the game. It is time to make mining and indy enjoy/rewarding again. If CCP does this wrong they will drive more players from the game again! This right here. I feel like they are sugarcoating it this time by giving us gas/moon compression. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809.md?page=38) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809.md?page=40)