# The Orca **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [July 4, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809 "2021-07-04T20:45:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1104 "2021-08-17T17:33:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Serious question: in what way does it generate a larger yield? Orca simply has more m3/h. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1105 "2021-08-17T17:34:24Z")
Yeah but how? Is it all in inherent hull drone bonus? (Im not in a position to check the numbers just now, which is why I ask šŸ™‚ ) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1106 "2021-08-17T17:34:50Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So before the orca buffs you used what? i used an orca once i could fly them. Until then, the normal progression, procurer. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1107 "2021-08-17T17:34:59Z")
50% role bonus for porpoise and 100% role bonus for orca. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1108 "2021-08-17T17:35:33Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I expect the Porpoise to indeed be overlooked by CCP as it needs no changes I am not sure about that. Based on the little bit of information from CCP that I have found, the ā€œputting it in its placeā€ attitude should apply to Porpoises as well. They use the same exact skills as an Orca and fill the same role, although in a lesser capacity. I would expect it to get the same, or similar, nerf that the Orca gets. But that also assumes that CCP is being transparent with the cause of the Orca nerf. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1109 "2021-08-17T17:35:36Z")
So you used fleets of orcas as you described before the yield buff? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1110 "2021-08-17T17:35:43Z")
Ok cool ty ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1111 "2021-08-17T17:36:14Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Serious question: in what way does it generate a larger yield? > > Most people seemed convinced the Orcas afkability is the problem, and the Porpoise is at least as good in that regard with the conceivable exception of high-end timespan in the field. The Orca has significantly higher mining yield bonuses than the Porpoise. Porpoise: > **Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):** > 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints, damage and ore mining yield > **Role Bonus:** > 50% bonus to Drone ore mining yield Orca: > **Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):** > 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints, damage and ore mining yield > **Role Bonus:** > 100% bonus to Drone ore mining yield Both ships are capable mining fleet support ships and are good at that role. But the problematic part of the Orca is that it competes with Barges as a solo miner, because of itā€™s not insignificant yield on top of the high survivability and huge ore hold. The Porpoise too has good support capabilities, but the yield is much lower. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1112 "2021-08-17T17:37:13Z")
Yeah your thoughts and mine are on similar paths except I expect CCP to forget the Porpoise even exists becauseā€¦ Theyā€™re CCP and have a track record. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1113 "2021-08-17T17:38:50Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Not only do fewer people afk mine if the yield is lower, but theyā€™d also change what ship they use. Like changing to a mack/rettie. So way, way, way back in the day, I use to AFK mine in a Mammoth while I worked in college. The timing worked out well for my breaks so that I could run to my room and switch rocks or unload and get 8 hours of mining in. That was a significant yield drop (1/8th a Apoch), but since I was AFK mining it was better than nothing. Now that Eve is a tad more dangerous, and I am not desperate for isk anymore, I donā€™t feel the need to AFK mine. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1114 "2021-08-17T17:39:21Z")
Now Im just wondering how comparable they are with differing storage divided by differing yield. If all I care about is the ship filling within a particular time, how much difference does it make? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1115 "2021-08-17T17:39:41Z")
soon as my characters could fly them, yes. But back then I usually flew fleets of cats, tengus, proteus, abbadons, Thorax, Ravens, Fleet Stabbersā€¦cause back then i could War Decā€¦and when they dropped corpā€¦i ganked themā€¦ Cause Im an asshole, you can be blue to meā€¦work with/for meā€¦die or GTFOā€¦thats the only options I give competitorsā€¦ When i care, and right now I do not really care so muchā€¦ Been playing Starbase for 2 weeks now, have hardly logged into the launcher let alone any clientsā€¦I hear my people are beginning to wonder if Im going to quit EvE before the Xmas deadline i gave them to get their ā– ā– ā– ā–  together. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1116 "2021-08-17T17:44:04Z")
> [@Lugues\_Slive](#): > > So way, way, way back in the day, I use to AFK mine in a Mammoth while I worked in college. Thatā€™s great for youā€¦but did everyone else? Lots of people afk mine in an orca **now**. Thatā€™s what indicates a problem. Not niche cases like yourself. Iā€™ve personally seen someone afk mining in a miasmos, but because itā€™s just one guy here or there itā€™s not a problem. Or do people really think that will become the norm if the orca is nerfed? With regards to the porpoise, people may pick it up instead and weā€™ll cross that bridge when we come to it. But Iā€™m skeptical given itā€™s lower performance in every area. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1117 "2021-08-17T17:58:50Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If all I care about is the ship filling within a particular time, how much difference does it make? Real quick rough numbers; Orca Yield - 1485m3/min Ore Hold Fill Time - 126min Total Fill Time - 178 min Porpoise Yield - 1114m3/min Ore Hold Fill Time - 45min Total Fill Time - 50min ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1118 "2021-08-17T18:02:17Z")
only get 50 more minutes in the Orca inc the Fleet Hangar and the Cargo Bay? (I assume you are using expensive drones for this and are close to the asteroids ?) ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1119 "2021-08-17T18:02:35Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Lots of people afk mine in an orca **now** Thatā€™s hard to prove, granted ā€œlotsā€ of people may be using an Orca now. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > With regards to the porpoise, people may pick it up instead and weā€™ll cross that bridge when we come to it. But Iā€™m skeptical given itā€™s lower performance in every area. With the AFK argument, its not necessarily about yield. It can also be about max time AFK, which by reducing the yield on the Orca, you will be increasing. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1120 "2021-08-17T18:03:20Z")
Yes to the fill time question. T2 drones and no travel time included, just back of napkin calcs. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1121 "2021-08-17T18:04:05Z")
Huh colour me surprised but okay ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1122 "2021-08-17T18:27:50Z")
The Porpoise could have a larger ore hold, not sure if the skill bonus is showing up in the simulator. If not, it would be more like; Ore Hold Fill Time - 56min Total Fill Time - 61min To compare, a tank fit Mack has; Yield - 864m3/min Ore Hold Fill Time - 41min ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1123 "2021-08-17T18:41:27Z")
> [@Lugues\_Slive](#): > > With the AFK argument, its not necessarily about yield. It can also be about max time AFK, which by reducing the yield on the Orca, you will be increasing. If we continue reducing the yield all the way to 0, the max time AFK will increase to infinity. I somehow doubt that people with 0 yield will be happy that they can AFK ā€˜mineā€™ all day long. Therefore I donā€™t think ā€˜max time AFKā€™ on itā€™s own is a good factor to measure how useful AFK mining ships are. It is a factor, but of much less importance than the yield itself. Letā€™s look at a few statements - please let me know if you donā€™t agree: 1. We are certain that as the yield approaches 0, the ship becomes **less** tempting as AFK mining ship. _With 0 yield being the point that nobody will be interested in mining with the ship, obviously._ 2. We are also certain that as the mining yield of the Orcas would be **greater** than it is today, it becomes **more** tempting as AFK mining ship. _The huge ore hold would last long enough that even with twice the yield people could go AFK for long periods of time for twice the ISK per hour._ So what makes you think that if we **reduce** the yield, the Orca becomes **more tempting** as AFK mining ship? I would say itā€™s the opposite: the Orca becomes less tempting as AFK mining ship when the yield goes down. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809.md?page=54) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809.md?page=56)