# The Orca **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [July 4, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809 "2021-07-04T20:45:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1164 "2021-08-18T06:58:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > What you are doing does not bother me, though it would bother people like CODE players, unless you are perceived as one of them and then you get a free pass. Eh they are more obsessed with old style freighter ganks than their original raison d’etre, sadly. I supported what they used to do but when they lost their drive and shiny coats I just went right back to doing myself lol. I mean, I even auto freighters from time to time. Gankers arent as careful about scanning as they used to be. PIs interface just frys my brain. Ill be the first to admit Im not the shiniest penny myself, but it always seemed needlessly non-ergonomic to me, if thats a term. Maybe Ill give it another look. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1165 "2021-08-18T07:13:36Z")
There is a lot of ISK in freighter ganking, and as I was told so many times by people like Australian Excellence that they do it to make ISK and to boast how much bigger their balls are based on how many times he called himself an alpha male, LMAO. Which is the main reason why the Orca is not ganked, because there is no profit unless it is being used as a freighter. That is why multi-boxed ice mining AFK Orca’s are an issue. The interface is fine. What is a pain is working back the production chain in terms of what is needed and the volumes needed for the chain, there were two very good websites that enabled me to do it easily, but they no longer exist. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1166 "2021-08-18T07:20:47Z")
See, introduce doing something for profit and it just becomes the same old grind. I liked them more when they at least pretended to have a point to make. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1167 "2021-08-18T12:33:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > needlessly non-ergonomic Space AIDS. Thats the term you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Raace\_D\_harun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raace_d_harun/32/301214_2.png) [@Raace\_D\_harun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raace_D_harun)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1168 "2021-08-18T13:37:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I literally said I was mining AFK for 3 HOURS, and then Race O’Bannon turns up to say its not possible. Ffs guys. And TBH that is honestly fine, in order to fill up an entire ore hold on an Orca efficiently takes about 2-3~ hours with T2 drones and this is parking it on the rocks and actually trying to optimally mine and that is only around 18 million ISK uncompressed and maybe around 22 million after compressing. Travel time at max distance will take around 100 seconds (from rock to Orca and then Orca to rock) meaning almost two cycles will be lost (60 seconds per cycle). You would be increasing the time to fill the hold by roughly 1.8 hours which would reduce the ISK/hour to around 128k and possibly even less since you’ll likely not be around to cycle rocks since you most likely don’t have a scanner to pick good rocks. It’s not like Orca’s are raking in ISK in Hi-sec; Lvl3’s give roughly 2-10 million ISK depending on mission and have lengths of 5-30 minutes so you would really just be better off investing into a HAC and avoiding the risk of your Orca getting popped by a FOB from a Pirate group and just playing the game for less than an hour. However as said… at such low yields; you do you at least you are undocked. I just never realized people would underutilize the ship in such a way. This whole conversation essentially just boils down to “I am upset because a player is undocked in an asteroid field” because at this point they aren’t negatively impacting the game in any other way. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1169 "2021-08-18T13:41:10Z")
> [@Raace\_D\_harun](#): > > you most likely don’t have a scanner to pick good rocks. I just pick the biggest ones I see. Scanners are a waste of a mid slot to me 😃 But Im glad there’s no hard feelings. Totally get Im doing it at very low efficiency, but I just had to make the point that to some people efficiency isnt the be all and end all of playing Mining. ---
**Author:** ![Raace\_D\_harun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raace_d_harun/32/301214_2.png) [@Raace\_D\_harun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raace_D_harun)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1170 "2021-08-18T13:44:15Z")
I have some pretty thick skin so I wouldn’t worry about that and on-top of it as I said before even if it’s not optimal you are at least logged in and undocked and considering the state of Eve Online… that’s all I can really ask for at this time of the community. Bigger fish to fry compared to an AFK’ing Orca in Hi-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1171 "2021-08-18T13:47:12Z")
I like you fella. Good attitude. +1 to ya ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1172 "2021-08-18T15:08:46Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Actually it needs a better tank! I don’t think the Porpoise needs a better tank, what makes you say that? When comparing ships fit for EHP (_shield rigs, Damage control, shield modules in the mids_), the Porpoise is in the same league as the Skiff and Procurer, the most survivable of barges. To be precise, the EHP is right behind the Skiff and just above the Procurer. In a mining fleet ready for combat consisting of Skiffs, Procurers and Porpoises, if the enemies are going for the most expensive ships first they pick a Skiff and if they’re going for the easiest kills they’ll pick a Procurer. I would say the tank of the Porpoise is in the right spot. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1173 "2021-08-18T15:14:34Z")
I fitted one up, and decided not to use it as the tank was not strong enough, it was at the level of a Mackinaw. So used the Orca instead. EDIT: Edited to answer a question. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1174 "2021-08-18T15:15:55Z")
Tank not enough to do what? Tank not enough compared to what? Does it die to rats? Suicide gankers? Null hunters? I feel like I’m missing context. :confusedparrot: Edit: Thanks for the edited context! Level of Mackinaw you said? I can get a ‘tanky’ Mackinaw fit to 35k EHP. My T2 Porpoise fit is 98k EHP, 115k with shield boosts turned on Procurer is about 82k EHP (with T1 rigs) Skiff: 110k The Porpoise is _far_ beyond Mackinaw levels of EHP. What was your fit? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1175 "2021-08-18T15:26:58Z")
I would like to see that Porpoise fit, seems way higher that what I did. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1176 "2021-08-18T15:32:42Z")
Here you go: > [Porpoise, Porpoise EHP] > > Damage Control II > Drone Damage Amplifier II > > Multispectrum Shield Hardener II > Multispectrum Shield Hardener II > Large Shield Extender II > Large Shield Extender II > > Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Optimization Charge > Shield Command Burst II, Shield Extension Charge > Medium Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster > _(+1 utility high, cloak, tractor beam, salvager, extra command burst…)_ > > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > > Ice Harvesting Drone I x1 > Ice Harvesting Drone II x1 > Mining Drone II x5 I admit I cheated a bit with the number 115k with both shield boosts turned on, as a Porpoise would be there to at least give 1 mining boost which means losing 1 rig if it uses 1 mining burst and 2 shield bursts. The fit above gets 108k EHP. The T2 rigs are a bit pricey, but with the hull price of the Porpoise I would say they are worth it. With T1 the fit gets just below 100k EHP, still far beyond Mackinaw levels. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1177 "2021-08-18T16:00:14Z")
Explains it, that is pretty much all tank, though why the drone damage amp? My fit was 67k with an Alpha toons skills, sure it would be higher. It was setup to be close to my Orca fit with more utility, it was not tanky enough for me and your fit does not have the utility I was after, so I stuck with the Orca, though it does not have the survey scanner fitted. [Porpoise, Simulated Porpoise Fitting] Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Large Shield Extender II Survey Scanner II Mining Foreman Burst II Mining Foreman Burst II Small Tractor Beam II Salvager I Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5 Ice Harvesting Drone I x1 Hornet EC-300 x5 My Skiff fit has one mining lasar upgrade but is all tank apart from that. Explains the discrepancy then, I had the Mackinaw at about 50k for some reason in my head as a benchmark, not sure why as I don’t use them because I think the tank is too poor. My benchmark is that it has to have a tank to deal with 7 Catalysts and not lose utility. I wanted to see if I could replace my Orca’s with something cheaper. Thanks for the fit and the reply, I still think that the Porpoise needs a better tank though. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1178 "2021-08-18T17:19:06Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Explains it, that is pretty much all tank, though why the drone damage amp? Yep, if you’re looking for a good EHP numbers on your ship you shouldn’t fit things like scanners. The drone damage amp is optional. I like being able to deal with null rats as quick as possible, as I cannot use mining drones or use a cloak when they are around. Alternatives for me are intertial stabs to align fast or CPU upgrade in case I’m using drone mining rigs and run out of CPU. 😛 I don’t like the choice of a bulkhead as it makes the ship less agile and the bulk (hehe) of the hitpoints are in shield, not in hull. I’d sooner fit a nanofiber than a bulkhead. But then again I’m not looking for max EHP to survive ganks, as I’m not using this ship in high sec. In high sec the rats are weaker and every extra bit of EHP helps, so a bulkhead is a good choice there. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1179 "2021-08-18T17:57:39Z")
I fit max yeild. But that is because if you are not AFK the by far best way to go is align, watch local and dcan. As far as tank goes, attackers know how much DPS is needed so the end result is if you don’t fly away you die. ---
**Author:** ![Renatus\_Desiderius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renatus_desiderius/32/285789_2.png) [@Renatus\_Desiderius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renatus_Desiderius)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1180 "2021-08-19T04:58:13Z")
Couldn’t the issue be fixed if they change it so the Orca simply can’t field mining drones? I love my Orca but I don’t use it for mining, I using it for boosting my miners. Feels like an easy fix to me if AFKing is a real problem, the ship wasn’t meant to be a mining ship so remove its capabilities to mine, period. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1181 "2021-08-19T16:43:03Z")
They don’t need to nerf the thing. Just give it a small “Mining Hold” and route the ore there, then the miner is forced to move the ore every few minutes. Nothing for real players. Major breakage for AFKers. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1182 "2021-08-19T16:59:53Z")
I really believe that the over usage of the Orca is the low interaction. I don’t think the AFK gameplay is a real problem, but rather the extreme multiboxing that it unlocks. I am sure that what most people see is not 20 guys sitting AFK, but rather 1 guy with 20 accounts being fairly active. The same ore hold reduction idea would limit this as well, since you would need to interact more often which means you could manage fewer miners. And this could be applied to all mining ships while still leaving the long field time role of the Mack and the fleet hauler of the Industrial Command ships in tack. It would also allow for the Industrial Command ships to still be able to mine without having an insane number of accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809/1183 "2021-08-19T17:42:36Z")
Also that guy with 20 ships needs the free time so he can fly the ship that bumps everyone else who shows up at the ice 😜 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809.md?page=57) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-orca/318809.md?page=59)