# The 'Pay To Win' Myth **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 8, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369 "2023-09-08T14:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/463 "2023-09-25T06:21:31Z")
Sound fishy… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/464 "2023-09-25T06:22:07Z")
Shut your mouth. You love fish. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/465 "2023-09-25T06:47:59Z")
If that is true then you no longer require ISk ---
**Author:** ![Skylar\_Cloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skylar_cloud/32/417720_2.png) [@Skylar\_Cloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skylar_Cloud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/466 "2023-09-30T17:46:01Z")
Pay to Win threads are just about as bad as, Free to Play complaints. They both are oxymorons. Obviously nothing is really “free” and there will always be others who define and redefine those definitions. Even when you have free games they will most likely have an item mall to buy buffs and cosmetics for the game. Guild Wars was the first game I recall that didn’t charge a subscription, as WoW and other online games back then, they called it buy to play. Today GW2 is called free to play with an option to buy and the new game has an item mall and paid game currency. Pay to win, is just another term used and abused to describe these systems. Before the internet exploded with all these online games, people were selling trial games called Shareware. Shareware meant you were free to make copies of the demo and pass them off to your friends. It never said the entire game was free. True freedom only exists when you are alone and isolated on a desert island. As soon as you add one other person, they start making up rules and laws, and tell you to stop wiping your butt with the coconuts. ---
**Author:** ![Graham\_Acami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/graham_acami/32/388655_2.png) [@Graham\_Acami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Graham_Acami)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/467 "2023-10-01T11:15:50Z")
Was there ever a time in Eve you couldn’t use plex for isk? I sure as hell don’t remember one. Jack and Joe will both have to deal with a suicide gank blowing their ■■■■ up regardless. Then we can see if the guy paying real money vs the guy grinding isk is the more likely to quit. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/468 "2023-10-01T15:26:36Z")
> [@Graham\_Acami](#): > > Was there ever a time in Eve you couldn’t use plex for isk? Yes Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/469 "2023-10-01T16:02:32Z")
Eve is not winnable, thus there is no Pay-to-Win. ---
**Author:** ![vaseel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaseel/32/389988_2.png) [@vaseel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/vaseel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/470 "2023-10-10T23:12:47Z")
Alpha is not the full game experience. I left the game in 2011 and came back this week. I can’t fly half my fleet or use a lot of fittings/weapons because they all require an Omega subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/471 "2023-10-11T00:00:15Z")
> [@vaseel](#): > > I left the game in 2011 and came back this week. I can’t fly half my fleet or use a lot of fittings/weapons because they all require an Omega subscription. Good. I’m not in the game to subsidise you. ---
**Author:** ![vaseel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaseel/32/389988_2.png) [@vaseel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/vaseel)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/472 "2023-10-11T01:43:11Z")
And?? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/473 "2023-10-11T02:24:24Z")
That must be how it really was to be a miner then? /As it currently stands today or yesterday and the few years before I will never need to open my RL wallet again. Unless of course they sell me Princess Aiko frozen corpse on the Store . I know it’s dumb to think that but seriously the amount of isk that is thrown our way is far too high to vet think EveOnline is pay to win. Even looking back at the times. Paid for plex with RL funds are o invest in the Regional Market. I think there is a saying buy high sell low… yeah I know how to trade. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/474 "2023-10-11T02:40:20Z")
Does Aiko know? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/475 "2023-10-11T02:43:04Z")
You know how to push m buttons allow me in o duel you with my other pilot and if you win you can have your 5 billion a month instead of the current fee ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/476 "2023-10-11T04:47:39Z")
It is the full experience. You can do every activity an Omega can do. You are just limited in the tools that you can use for the activities and how deep you can dive into the activities. Other than that Alpha state allows you to do whatever you want. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/477 "2023-10-11T05:16:45Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > You know how to push m buttons allow me in o duel you with my other pilot and if you win you can have your 5 billion a month instead of the current fe Fite me. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/478 "2023-10-11T06:21:01Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Does Aiko know? Due to the quote in the previous post above now she does. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/479 "2023-10-11T08:21:58Z")
Had you seen what Frostpacker did to Horde? No you don’t want to fright s! /just ask @Destiny_Corrupted about that forever war she tried to start. //And don’t even try to hire BlackFlag as they won’t even lift a finger if Frostpacker is involved! ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/480 "2023-10-11T09:08:17Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Due to the quote in the previous post above now she does Uriel as per your Evemail if your pilot wins the duel I will pay you 5 Billion Isk If your pilot loses then you owe Frostpacker your frozen corpse @Uriel_the_Flame yes I want your corpse too ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/481 "2023-10-11T09:25:20Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > want your corpse too Sure thing but you have to catch my pod after you win the duel to get it. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-pay-to-win-myth/419369/482 "2023-10-11T09:41:42Z")
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