# The Permanent Green Safety Brigade **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974 "2022-04-25T20:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/443 "2022-04-30T07:00:28Z")
Perhaps I should have been more clear. That was directed at Mr. Epeen for calling you a simp. Ugh. I’ve only caught up to post 122 so far. Hopefully things don’t get worse. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/444 "2022-04-30T07:04:41Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > That was directed at Mr. Epeen for calling you a simp. You sure got that ass backwards. Maybe you should scroll up and follow that quote chain back to the beginning. It’s pretty obvious who I was calling a simp. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/445 "2022-04-30T07:11:58Z")
I should probably let it go for no other reason that I doubt that confrontation will make things better. But I guess I’ll give a shot. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/d/2/ed28369fcaaeb018bd0b2785e49d6bdd949e151f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/446 "2022-04-30T07:20:02Z")
I see. Regardless, please try to play nice. I know I sometimes get out of line myself, but that doesn’t make it right. And, with that, I think I’m done interneting for the day. You kids have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/447 "2022-04-30T07:27:52Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > But I guess I’ll give a shot I have no interest in being your friend. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/448 "2022-04-30T07:30:01Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > That was directed at Mr. Epeen for calling you a simp. Mr.Epeen never called Fifi a simp. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/449 "2022-04-30T07:58:11Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > What I would love to see in EVE is the ability to join with NPC fleets a few times out of the year, maybe like Events, and be lead against another faction NPC/players fleet in enemy space and fight alongside players and NPCs. > At least it would show that the empires are at war and we, as Capsuleers, can join with empire forces That’s too complicated for CCP to do. They can’t even find bugs and eliminate them or deliver a clean patch, they’re struggling with present codes so what makes you think they can do all of that? And that’s assuming they even want to. CCP is content to let players create their own content. It’s clear they’ve given up with improving the PvE side of the game, that doesn’t pay while PvP creates destruction and that’s what brings in the bucks. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/450 "2022-04-30T08:35:36Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I’m not friends with spineless boot-licking lackeys. LOL. Ship is def not that. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > CCP is content to let players create their own content As we should. Don’t you got dessies to lose LOL. You know what I find funny reading thru this thread? DC and I may do our fair share of trolling and general pwning of bears of care a lot. However Ship and Etch are pretty stand up dudes. Mina and Fae wanna be siding with Epeen says it all LOL. I love how it just proves me right. You claim to not like trolls or hateful forum posters. Yet in this one thread, you’ve already become that 😃 I enjoy EVE as EVE has been intended to be. I find joy in it. I know why it rankles you, and it makes me smile 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/451 "2022-04-30T09:59:09Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Perhaps I should have been more clear. That was directed at Mr. Epeen for calling you a simp **??** Mr.Epeen never called me a simp. > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Ugh. I’ve only caught up to post 122 so far. I think you’re too busy irl to properly manage your own thread. I think it’s cool you made this thread and your OP is a nice read but keeping up with the posts demands time you just don’t seem to have. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/452 "2022-04-30T10:32:41Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > That’s too complicated for CCP to do. They can’t even find bugs and eliminate them or deliver a clean patch, they’re struggling with present codes so what makes you think they can do all of that? I would not know. Must be wishful thinking. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > CCP is content to let players create their own content. It’s clear they’ve given up with improving the PvE side of the game, that doesn’t pay while PvP creates destruction and that’s what brings in the bucks I guess it’s good business sense, even if doesn’t help the game. And maybe CCP is rolling back the PvE side and plan to make EVE strictly PvP. That’s what I would do. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/453 "2022-04-30T11:16:26Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > And maybe CCP is rolling back the PvE side and plan to make EVE strictly PvP. That’s what I would do That would be better instead of trying to be everything to everybody. It’s already not a sandbox and PvE is old and boring. Might as well make EVE 100% PvP and stop luring casual players into the butchery. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/454 "2022-04-30T13:35:47Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > What I would love to see in EVE is the ability to join with NPC fleets a few times out of the year, maybe like Events, and be lead against another faction NPC/players fleet in enemy space and fight alongside players and NPCs. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > That’s too complicated for CCP to do. They can’t even find bugs and eliminate them or deliver a clean patch, they’re struggling with present codes so what makes you think they can do all of that? Actually, CCP already did that during invasions. Well, you couldn’t actually join NPC fleets, but you could fight along side them, give them logi support, sway the tide of battle, and determine the fate of invaded systems. And, believe it or not, a lot of players actually liked it. Now, will we see anything more like that? Meh… I dunno. Invasions certainly demonstrated that there was an appetite for that sort of content, and it seems kind of absurd that they would abandon game play that they found success with… but that’s kind of what they did. But I’m not an expert on this stuff. Perhaps @Prospektor_Schipplock would be willing to speak on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/455 "2022-04-30T13:51:18Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Invasions certainly demonstrated that there was an appetite for that sort of content yeah remember the trigs and the 30 hours marathons and the drugs , i think the ending of this kind of content saved some lives ![trig](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/e/5/de5b3c4d40f2cd1a6082ba1764d9d5f68b6e91f5.png) ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/456 "2022-04-30T14:32:57Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Actually, CCP already did that during invasions. Well, you couldn’t actually join NPC fleets If couldn’t join NPC fleets then CCP didn’t already do that. > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > And, believe it or not, a lot of players actually liked it. I know they would, that’s good content. > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > it seems kind of absurd that they would abandon game play that they found success with Seems to me that CCP is in the habbit of shooting themselves in the foot. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/457 "2022-04-30T15:37:01Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > If couldn’t join NPC fleets then CCP didn’t already do that. NPCs do not have ‘fleets’ in the sense that players have them; they do not have a fleet commander who gives fleet broadcast commands or warps the fleet around, nor does it have talking characters who discuss the fleets, strategies, intel or completely random unrelated stuff, because they’re NPCs and not programmed to do so. NPCs do have fleets in the sense that they had ships in a group fighting enemy ships. You could definitely fly with such a fleet and fight enemy fleets, ‘join up’ if you could call it. Just don’t expect the NPCs to behave like people and follow the ingame fleet system settings or set up a fleet advert. They do however often fly in groups of NPC ships: NPC fleets. So yes, joining with a fleet of NPCs to shoot the same enemies has been done. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/458 "2022-04-30T16:52:08Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > NPCs do not have ‘fleets’ in the sense that players have them Exactly. That’s what I’m talking about. They don’t and it would be cool if they did have that we could join. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > they do not have a fleet commander who gives fleet broadcast commands or warps the fleet around, nor does it have talking characters who discuss the fleets, strategies, intel or completely random unrelated stuff, because they’re NPCs and not programmed to do so No need to have fleet commanders for NPC. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > NPCs do have fleets in the sense that they had ships in a group fighting enemy ships. You could definitely fly with such a fleet and fight enemy fleets, ‘join up’ if you could call it Right, like said: be able to join NPC fleets. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Just don’t expect the NPCs to behave like people and follow the ingame fleet system settings or set up a fleet advert They can be programmed to do that. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > They do however often fly in groups of NPC ships: NPC fleets Right. That’s what I’m talking about: be able to join those NPC fleets. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > So yes, joining with a fleet of NPCs to shoot the same enemies has been done No it hasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/459 "2022-04-30T18:23:23Z")
What is it that fleeting up with NPCs would offer you that players cannot? ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/460 "2022-04-30T18:31:33Z")
I acknowledge that i am the only constant in this equation, but given how insular EvEs communities are Id likely be able to get an NPC to fleet up and show me the ropes before many of the so called “social” corps. And i get it. EvE is a game about killing other players. Doesnt exactly inspire confidence. From what ive seen the myth of the “newbro with a good attitude” is as mythical as the “bittervet who helps”. One players experience, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/461 "2022-04-30T18:33:07Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > What is it that fleeting up with NPCs would offer you that players cannot? I haven’t thought about it that deeply. It’s not that important either. It’s just something I thought would be cool. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/462 "2022-04-30T19:50:16Z")
> [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > I acknowledge that i am the only constant in this equation, but given how insular EvEs communities are Id likely be able to get an NPC to fleet up and show me the ropes before many of the so called “social” corps. > > And i get it. EvE is a game about killing other players. Doesnt exactly inspire confidence. > > From what ive seen the myth of the “newbro with a good attitude” is as mythical as the “bittervet who helps”. My alliance has regular newbie fleets with the purpose to show new players the ropes. As well as fleets to show them more specific parts of fleet combat such as tackling, hunting or flying remote repair ships. Also, I see newbies with good attitudes often. Bittervets who help are more rare, usually because they’re so bitter and prefer to complain instead of help. Veterans (the non-bitter kind) who help aren’t rare though. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=24)