# The Permanent Green Safety Brigade **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974 "2022-04-25T20:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/101 "2022-04-28T16:45:27Z")
joe rogan, gen x elon musk , gen x Douglas Murray, gen x James Lindsay, gen x Russell Brand ,gen x Gad Saad, gen x Michael Malice, gen x Abigail Shrier, gen x Carl Benjamin, gen x jordan peterson, ok he is kinda of a boomer but - 3 years gen x ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/102 "2022-04-28T16:46:58Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > I have watched video with fleets and the pilots have to do what the commander says. I’ve seen some amazing fleet videos and am always impressed by the commanders who can speak faster than a horse racing commentator…when calling for the fleet to switch attack between ships. But all of that is a far cry from anything I’ve been involved in or even seen…and mainly seems to happen in wormholes or nullsec. I’m happy to be available to defend corp HQ in highsec…but its not like anything other than a few Guristas Kestrels ever attack. So I am bored. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/103 "2022-04-28T16:50:35Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The real question is how well various age groups can tolerate it, and in my _extensive_ experience, the oldbergs seem to be able to tolerate it _much less_ despite having considerably more financial security It could very well be true. I do feel like an “oldberg” and I do have less tolerance for losing things I paid for in a game but I excuse myself because 1. I see no reason why I should kick myself in the butt and 2. I’ve lost enough things in my life to not be an idiot and pay for things in a game I’ll lose regardless. In that case I might as well flush my money down the toilet. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/104 "2022-04-28T16:52:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > and join a high-sec war organization. You will have targets _literally_ everywhere How ? Where ? What do you define as ‘PvP viable’ ? I have loads of ships than can deliver high DPS…Gnosis, Moa, Caracal, Thrasher, Catalyst, etc, all waiting for someone to blast into the hereafter. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/105 "2022-04-28T16:53:13Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > So I am bored. Hop in a cheap T1 frigate and go to lowsec, or hop into a cheap T1 cruiser and go to nullsec. Go on an adventure and write off the ship as lost. Repeat as often as necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/106 "2022-04-28T16:56:42Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > joe rogan, gen x > elon musk , gen x > Douglas Kear Murray, gen x > James Lindsay, gen x > Michael Malice, gen x > Gad Saad, gen x > Abigail Shrier, gen x > jordan peterson, ok he is kinda of a boomer but - 3 years gen x Greta Thunberg? GenZ 😅 But seriously. I don’t like to judge people by their age, that’s discrimination. I already don’t like to judge anyone period. Every generation has its geniuses and its idiots. We can’t judge a whole generation and lump everyone together, that’s insane. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/107 "2022-04-28T17:03:13Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How ? Where ? What do you define as ‘PvP viable’ ? I have loads of ships than can deliver high DPS…Gnosis, Moa, Caracal, Thrasher, Catalyst, etc, all waiting for someone to blast into the hereafter. in eve there is a tool for every job depending of the type of pvp you are doing you will use one kind of ship i think @Destiny_Corrupted is talking about war deck piracy hacs , battlecruisers can be wrong ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/108 "2022-04-28T17:03:39Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But all of that is a far cry from anything I’ve been involved in or even seen…and mainly seems to happen in wormholes or nullsec I haven’t seen, much less participated in, any of those spacefights they show in the ads, in 5 years, and I’ve been to all sec space. Closest to that I saw was a large group of gankers having at a lone hauler. I jumped just in time not become a target myself. That was kind of exciting, but I haven’t seen anything besides that. EVE’s space is either a bunch of gankers springing on some unfortunate soul or empty space for many jumps. If EVE’s PvP translates only to ganking then it’s even more boring than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/109 "2022-04-28T17:08:19Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I haven’t seen, much less participated in, any of those spacefights they show in the ads, BIIIIG fights are boooooorinng there is time dilatation you take 30 minutes to do 2 shots lol there is an amarr super carrier called aeon , people use to leave the pc , take a drink , come back , no chance to be dead ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/110 "2022-04-28T17:08:50Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i dream about nightmares and bhaalgorns I’ll keep that in mind for this years gift giving thread. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/111 "2022-04-28T17:09:44Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > BIIIIG fights are boooooorinng > there is time dilatation you take 30 minutes to do 2 shots lol Talking about thousands of players fighting in space, thpse are rare battles and I can understand why. Maybe talking about a few hundreds if that. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/112 "2022-04-28T17:11:30Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No one _likes_ to lose items they’ve paid for. The real question is how well various age groups can tolerate it, and in my _extensive_ experience, the oldbergs seem to be able to tolerate it _much less_ despite having considerably more financial security. No…losing ISK is really not in itself the issue. I’ve wasted and effectively ‘lost’ ISK for example in buying and selling stuff…where in the end I just cut my losses. The difference being that nobody knows about that. Nobody can bring up a web page and say 'haha…you LOST 100m ISK from buying the wrong stuff to sell '. On the other hand…every puny little ship loss of any value gets recorded, and despite everyone saying zkills does not matter, people quoting it every 5 minutes puts the lie to that. And I think ( as Mina says ) that older people are just less inclined to add to that for what seems like no real reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/113 "2022-04-28T17:12:13Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > Maybe talking about a few hundreds if that. Exactly. No need to have thousands of pilots to get thrilled. I haven’t seen even a few dozens fighting in space. It seems that ganking is the only form of PvP in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/114 "2022-04-28T17:14:32Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > there is an amarr super carrier called aeon , people use to leave the pc , take a drink , come back , no chance to be dead What’s wrong with taking a drink? It’s a game on the screen, not Air Traffic Control. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/115 "2022-04-28T17:14:56Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > zkills to me zkill is all that matters its the meta game of some players > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > What’s wrong with taking a drink? It’s a game on the screen, not Air Traffic Control. small fights in low sec take less than a minute if you blink you are dead you can look at my killboard i killed 3 guys in the same minute lots of times ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/116 "2022-04-28T17:20:39Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > to me zkill is all that matters It’s really the ONLY thing people know about you or I. Nobody knows how much ISK I have. Nobody knows how many or what sort of ships I have. I think even my SP is hidden. I could pass someone at a gate and they could be a trillionaire or an Eve pauper. They might be a miner, or a ganker, or someone who just fought some major battle. They may be in a shuttle now…but be in a Titan in 5 minutes time. Almost nothing is known about other players apart from their corp…and their zkills history. It’s about the only thing anyone has any bragging rights on…and if a PvP game is not ultimately about bragging rights then what is it about. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/117 "2022-04-28T17:22:51Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > small fights in low sec take less than a minute > if you blink you are dead Exactly. That’s not worth 20 bucks a month to me. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/118 "2022-04-28T17:23:49Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I’ve lost enough things in my life to not be an idiot and pay for things in a game I’ll lose regardless. Why? How does it matter? Your survivors aren’t even able to inherit your in-game stuff if something suddenly happened to you. If you’re not treating your wealth as a tool to achieve personal in-game milestones with the ultimate goal of enjoying your time playing, and are hoarding just for the sake of having _more,_ you’re playing the game wrong. And this isn’t the same “wrong” as the one where people get angry and say stuff like “this is a sandbox so don’t tell me how to play.” You’re actually missing the point of this form of entertainment. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How ? Where ? What do you define as ‘PvP viable’ ? I have loads of ships than can deliver high DPS…Gnosis, Moa, Caracal, Thrasher, Catalyst, etc, all waiting for someone to blast into the hereafter. No one’s going to be impressed that your “Caracal can deliver high DPS.” Here’s a short list of things you need: - At least one maxed-out (i.e. T2 weapons and tank mods) BC+BS race capable of armor-cap-chain gang warfare. For example, training into Trig stuff to be able to fly the Leshak would accomplish this. But there are other choices, like Gallente, Minmatar, and mixed pirate ships. Something like a Praxis with torpedoes could work too. - 720mm/1400mm T2 artillery with Minmatar BC/BS at 5, or at least being trained to 5 in short order. - Assault frigates and HACs for at _least_ one race that is able to engage in solo combat (which means you need to be able to have a web/scram combo), with applicable T2 weapons. - Being able to do T2 logistics isn’t necessary per se, but would make you much more desirable for recruitment. Additional stuff like T3 cruisers, command ships, stealth bombers, is all useful, but not necessarily mandatory. You will _need_ a second account to both act as a scout, and to be able to transport stuff for your main. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/119 "2022-04-28T17:25:11Z")
there are different styles depending of what you do @Destiny_Corrupted makes money with pvp, she almost never dies , she fight with intel , to win i fight for the pleasure of fighting , im usually in a terrible ship , fitted to be most versatile possible ,because i never know who im going to fight , i have no intel, i die a lot , i try to be isk positive and care for solo kills , but rarely i get isk , a green 10 million drop is like a birthday present to me other day i got 2 green heat sinks , probably best loot i got in the last 2 years , uber rare ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/120 "2022-04-28T17:33:33Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Why? How does it matter? Your survivors aren’t even able to inherit your in-game stuff if something suddenly happened to you That’s even worse. So I paid for stuff that’s not even mine, lol. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If you’re not treating your wealth as a tool to achieve personal in-game milestones with the ultimate goal of enjoying your time playing, and are hoarding just for the sake of having _more,_ you’re playing the game wrong I’m not hoarding anything. I’m not asset-rich in the game. Maybe less than 2 billion. My point is: if I’m going to lose time and/or money for stuff that’ll only use not even a minute to try to defend myself: > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > small fights in low sec take less than a minute > if you blink you are dead … and then lose it for quasi sure, then I don’t see the point of getting those items in the first place and hence I don’t see the point of even paying for anything. It feels like paying for the privilege of losing it. If I want that I can go ask for a loan, buy a bunch of sh- and not repay the loan so they can come and take everything by Law. I don’t see the point of it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=7)