# The Permanent Green Safety Brigade **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974 "2022-04-25T20:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/141 "2022-04-28T18:50:02Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s not the game’s fault, or the game’s developers’ fault—it’s _your_ fault for playing a game that you don’t actually have much interest in. I acknowledge that. As I said, I lost interest about a year in because I saw what kind of low game CCP was playing with its players and I wasn’t going to be lead down that path. I don’t like sticks but I love carrots and since CCP obstinately aimed at giving the players only sticks I decided not to give them my money. So the reasons are numerous and less tied to the game itself than to CCP’s doings. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/142 "2022-04-28T18:50:51Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > No need to try and call out Gix. He makes his positions very clear. I hope he’s happy about all the players he pushed away from the game, telling them they are no good at EVE and might as well quit. Maybe he can think of that when he looks for targets and there are none. But knowing him, he’d laugh and say “Good! Those players aren’t needed in EVE” and while that may be true, I then wonder why y’all are always talking about Player Retention. You obviously don’t care about that. > Unless you mean a specific type of players are welcome and not others. Then it’s time to make a call to HR and start hiring Capsuleers. Good morning friend 😃 Might I suggest just undocking in your 20 dessies, SDing and then biomassing? 😃 LOL, target lack has been in effect for a long time, as there is almost no reason to go to low sec. You claim I push players away from EVE, when in fact when I do kill peeps in game, I merely drop a GF after LOL. I simply demand players understand the game THEY chose to play. EVE is an open world PvP sandbox, where you consent to PvP the moment you undock, period. If not your cup of tea? Stardew. Its that simple. I will not let carebears go unchallenged trying to change the game into something it isn’t. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > So I thought I’d get back into my money with some Alpha clone fun until the ships dry out and then it’s bye-bye EVE. Why wait? Biomass today 😃 If not, you’re just being dramatic posting in a forum of a game you no longer enjoy. That’s the real craziness LOL. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > My eyes are getting really bad and I’d rather go walk in nature to marvel at God’s creation Proving DC’s point. ROFL. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I lost interest about a year Yet somehow still here and still posting. Fascinating 😃 CCP owns your soul and you don’t even know it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/143 "2022-04-28T18:53:05Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > CCP owns your soul and you don’t even know it 😅 That’s kind of dark, even for you, Gix. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/144 "2022-04-28T18:57:32Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > 😅 That’s kind of dark, even for you, Gix. Son, you’re playing and posting in a game you have already said you don’t enjoy. What else would you call that? I cannot fathom why peeps do this. If you don’t like the game, simply move on. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/145 "2022-04-28T19:01:51Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Son, you’re playing and posting in a game you have already said you don’t enjoy Never said I don’t enjoy playing EVE. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > What else would you call that? Putting words in my mouth, I guess? > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > If you don’t like the game, simply move on Never said I don’t like the game. Now that you’re done putting words in my mouth, maybe you’d like to read what I actually wrote, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/146 "2022-04-28T19:05:18Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I acknowledge that. As I said, I lost interest about a year You mean those words? You literally said you lost interest, ergo no longer having fun. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > feels like a job. I’m retired. I don’t work anymore, much less pay to work, lol, and that’s what grind is. Again, more proof. > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I’ve tried to have fun since then but ratting has become stale, More proof. Again son, just give the 20 dessies to a noob and biomass 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/147 "2022-04-28T19:05:30Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I acknowledge that. As I said, I lost interest about a year in because I saw what kind of low game CCP was playing with its players and I wasn’t going to be lead down that path. > I don’t like sticks but I love carrots and since CCP obstinately aimed at giving the players only sticks I decided not to give them my money. > So the reasons are numerous and less tied to the game itself than to CCP’s doings. I feel like you’re missing the point I’m trying to convey. You’re once again blaming CCP’s changes, and not your own lack of desire and motivation, for your issues in the game. All that CCP has done is make balancing changes to various aspects of the game. Unless CCP closes the open economy, and starts selling items in the cash shop, there isn’t a concept of “carrots and sticks” for the entire player base because one player’s stick is always going to be another’s carrot. There will always be winners and losers in this game’s environment, because as long as the economy remains in the players’ hands, there will always be opportunities for players to exploit. You’re making it seem like CCP made the game worse for _everyone_ with their “sticks,” but you’re discounting all of the players who became significantly better off by engaging in aspects of the economy/industry that suddenly became much more lucrative. For example, if battleships went from 120 million ISK to 320 million ISK, did _ **everyone** _ become worse off? Even the players who mined the minerals that tripled in price, or the producers that started commanding larger margins as competition dropped off due to the perceived increased difficulty? Please actually try to genuinely _think_ about the underlying relationships in the system. And I agree with Gix. Why are you making yourself miserable? If you don’t like how the game has become, and are unwilling and/or unable to adapt to the recent changes, just quit _now._ You really _don’t_ have to wait for your 20 destroyers to get exploded to do this. Why waste the time? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/148 "2022-04-28T19:07:22Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > And I agree with Gix. Why are you making yourself miserable? If you don’t like how the game has become, and are unwilling and/or unable to adapt to the recent changes, just quit _now._ You really _don’t_ have to wait for your 20 destroyers to get exploded to do this. Why waste the time? Cause the drama 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/149 "2022-04-28T19:07:49Z")
@Gix_Firebrand Give me a break and go bother another member, will you? You can post at me when you learn how to read, ok? Great. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/150 "2022-04-28T19:08:05Z")
It can be a lot cheaper to solo PvP, single account too. Base out of a tradehub that actually has stuff, you can do your pve from there and you filament into null from there for solo PvP in basic ships. Preferably ones that are easily engagable, which tend to be the cheaper ones as well. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/151 "2022-04-28T19:09:15Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > @Gix_Firebrand > Give me a break and go bother another member, will you? > You can post at me when you learn how to read, ok? Great. Bye. Is some sort attempt at a boomer burn? I mean besides the obvious fact that I can read, considering I am responding to your post… It ain’t my fault you got wtfpwned by your own words 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/152 "2022-04-28T19:13:00Z")
@Destiny_Corrupted I’ll play EVE as an Alpha if it pleases me, for however long as it pleases me. Let me remind you that I didn’t jump into your convo, you jumped into mine with other members so don’t go pretend that I’m complaining to you about anything. Let me be clear: I think EVE is too expensive for what it is and it is ultimately the main reason why I’ll leave once I have no more ships or isk. No need to make a debate about it. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/153 "2022-04-28T19:15:58Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > It’s a game on the screen, not Air Traffic Control. That pretty funny 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/154 "2022-04-28T19:21:46Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I’ll play EVE as an Alpha if it pleases me, for however long as it pleases me. Yup. Getting defensive and throwing out that generic passive-aggressive “I’ll do things how I want to, thanks” line is fairly indicative of a person feeling uncomfortable because their views have been challenged in a way that makes them have to consider the possibility that they’re not making all the right choices, and don’t have all the answers like they thought they did, and in fact have been making considerable amounts of self-cringe-inducing mistakes for a long time. I get it, though—people don’t _like_ to feel this way, so you do you. Burying the head in the sand makes the icky feeling go away after a while. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/155 "2022-04-28T19:23:40Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Yup. Getting defensive and throwing out that generic passive-aggressive “I’ll do things how I want to, thanks” line is fairly indicative of a person feeling uncomfortable because their views have been challenged in a way that makes them have to consider the possibility that they’re not making all the right choices, and don’t have all the answers like they thought they did, and in fact have been making considerable amounts of self-cringe-inducing mistakes for a long time Aaaargh!! You shot me down with professional analysis!! Way to go!! All I have to do now is go biomass my clone… NOT 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/156 "2022-04-28T19:24:19Z")
No need to biomass. Extract the SP and give out the injectors to new players instead. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/157 "2022-04-28T19:24:53Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No need to biomass. Extract the SP and give out the injectors to new players instead Yes Master. I shall do as you command, Master. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/158 "2022-04-28T19:25:56Z")
If you did, you’d probably end up enjoying the game a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/159 "2022-04-28T19:27:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If you did, you’d probably end up enjoying the game a lot more I did enjoy the game for a while. Hell, I still enjoy it as Alpha. But paying $20 a month for the privilege of losing the stuff I paid for isn’t my idea of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/160 "2022-04-28T19:30:24Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > Let me remind you that I didn’t jump into your convo, you jumped into mine with other members so don’t go pretend that I’m complaining to you about anything. Son, you’re posting in a public forum. Anyone can jump in 😃 > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I did enjoy the game for a while. Hell, I still enjoy it as Alpha. But paying $20 a month for the privilege of losing the stuff I paid for isn’t my idea of fun. Again, because you are unaware of the game you are actually playing 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=9)