# The Permanent Green Safety Brigade **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974 "2022-04-25T20:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/161 "2022-04-28T19:31:14Z")
Why are you two (gix/dc) tag teaming to get a lock on this thread? What did @Shipwreck_Jones do to piss you off? Mr Epeen đŸ•¶ ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/162 "2022-04-28T19:33:07Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Why are you two (gix/dc) tag teaming to get a lock on this thread? Gix won’t get me to lose my cool, even though it’s obvious that’s what he’s trying to do, so this thread won’t be closed because of one of my posts. ps: @Shipwreck_Jones I did read all of your O.P and I really like what you had to say. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/163 "2022-04-28T19:34:32Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > Gix won’t get me to lose my cool, even though it’s obvious that’s what he’s trying to do, so this thread won’t be closed because of one of my posts. You mean besides pointing out that CCP owns your soul? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/164 "2022-04-28T19:37:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You mean besides pointing out that CCP owns your soul Why don’t you make a full-length feature film about it and really push your fantasies? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/165 "2022-04-28T19:38:19Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > I did enjoy the game for a while. Hell, I still enjoy it as Alpha. But paying $20 a month for the privilege of losing the stuff I paid for isn’t my idea of fun. And I already explained that if you restructured your understanding and expectations of the game, you’d be losing less and making more, while investing less time and effort. You’re putting more emphasis on not losing $20 than on making $200. Like I said earlier, this is a common carebear mental trap. You want to enjoy this game _more?_ You’ll have to move past that low-tier gutter mentality. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/166 "2022-04-28T19:38:32Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > Why don’t you make a full-length feature film about it and really push your fantasies? I mean this thread is essentially that 😃 Look at you. Posting non-stop in the forum of a game you’ve already admitted you don’t like and don’t want to play. Its just sheer craziness 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/167 "2022-04-28T19:41:48Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > gutter mentality. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Its just sheer craziness Well guys, it’s been fun to shoot the sh- with you two but now I’d like to play a game and chill. Thanks for the forum fun! Take care. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/168 "2022-04-28T19:45:18Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > but now I’d like to play a game and chill Just don’t you play EVE, you hear !? đŸ€Ł ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/169 "2022-04-28T20:13:22Z")
I had a similar conversation with a different person a few weeks ago about an irrational view of risk/expenditures while playing the game. And that wasn’t the first time, either. They pretty much had the same reaction: > [@What's Holding This Game Back?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/57): > > You have an irrational/pedestrian view of risk. In EVE, it’s most often the case that increasing your risk will lead to disproportionately-larger income. For example, you can risk a 1-million-ISK Venture to make 1 million ISK per hour mining, or you can risk a 30-million-ISK mining barge to make 20 million ISK per hour. The level of risk (not the financial impact) for either is effectively the same, but the latter multiplies your profits by 20. Per these figures, if you lose 1 ship every 10 ho
 It’s absolutely _amazing_ to me how many people fall into this line of thinking where they’d give up _everything_ to minimize an insignificant amount of risk, even at the cost of losing out on disproportionately greater opportunities. It’s like you offer someone to wager $1 on a coin flip, and if they win they’d get $10, but they refuse the offer because they “worked very hard” for the $1 and don’t want to “lose” it. Are people _that_ incapable of performing basic cost/benefit analyses, and loosely estimating expected values and rates of return? That’s absolutely _insane._ Over the past couple of months, I’ve talked to so many people who think it’s a better idea to mine in a Venture for 1 million ISK an hour than to increase the scale of their operations to the extent that they’d make 10-20x more money even with losses taken into account simply because they’d “lose less” this way, that I lost count. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/170 "2022-04-28T20:17:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s absolutely _amazing_ to me how many people fall into this line of thinking where they’d give up _everything_ to minimize an insignificant amount of risk, even at the cost of losing out on disproportionately greater opportunities What is amazing to me is how Mina made it clear that the main reason for her leaving the game ( when all her stuff is gone ) was price/fun/value-based but you and Gix tried to turn it into something else and then started bashing on her based on that false premise. I’m not used to forum but I thought that was amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/172 "2022-04-28T20:44:16Z")
(post redone to respond to the correct person) > [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > What is amazing to me is how Mina made it clear that the main reason for her leaving the game ( when all her stuff is gone ) was price/fun/value-based but you and Gix tried to turn it into something else and then started bashing on her based on that false premise. > I’m not used to forum but I thought that was amazing. Let’s look at what the complaint was: > [@](#): > > I’ve tried to have fun since then but ratting has become stale, never liked mining, industry is too expensive ( BP’s prices aren’t nuts, they’re out to Pluto! ), PI is also too expensive, Exploration is ok but not enough to keep me entertained and PvP is also too expensive. > So I thought I’d get back into my money with some Alpha clone fun until the ships dry out and then it’s bye-bye EVE. And that this criticism was directed at the developers: > [@](#): > > As I said, I lost interest about a year in because I saw what kind of low game CCP was playing with its players and I wasn’t going to be lead down that path. > I don’t like sticks but I love carrots and since CCP obstinately aimed at giving the players only sticks I decided not to give them my money. How is CCP responsible for the prices that players set for their in-game labor/products, and how is CCP responsible for players refusing to adapt their gameplay to a changing meta? It wasn’t _our_ premise that was false. Everything that person said was based upon an irrational sense of entitlement. How does “it’s too expensive to engage in an activity because that activity now makes too much money” even make sense to you? I asked where the money is going, and was met with a blank stare. You people are only complaining because complaining is the only form of gameplay you’re capable of at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/173 "2022-04-28T20:51:52Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I asked where the money is going, **and was met with a blank stare** \*_humm
_ > [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Where is the money going? How do you only have 20 destroyers after 5 years in the game? > > I reprocessed/sold everything I had that I knew I wouldn’t need to play as Alpha. I have a few billions isk and I’m still trying to figure out what I’ll do with it once the ships are gone. Surely buy more ships with the remaining isk but no more grind nor buying PLEX for me anymore Would you like to try and lie again? Because that lie just doesn’t match the fact that she did reply, and not with a blank stare. Also. I don’t want to be dragged in the mud like you tried to do with Mina so I think I’m done with you here. You are not a pleasant person to chat with and you distort everything someone posts AND lie about it, so thank you but no. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/174 "2022-04-28T21:00:32Z")
You’re welcome. I look forward to reading your upcoming rage-quit tantrum. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/175 "2022-04-28T21:02:10Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re welcome. > > I look forward to reading your upcoming rage-quit tantrum đŸ€Ł I caught you in an obvious lie and now you’re jumping on to something else, lol. Amazing! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/176 "2022-04-28T21:03:55Z")
My question dealt with where the money is going within the game’s economy if it’s true that CCP is just shoving sticks up players’ asses, and not where that specific player’s money is going. I thought you said you’re done? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/177 "2022-04-28T21:07:01Z")
> [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](#): > > What is amazing to me is how Mina made it clear that the main reason for her leaving the game ( when all her stuff is gone ) was price/fun/value-based but you and Gix tried to turn it into something else and then started bashing on her based on that false premise. > I’m not used to forum but I thought that was amazing. Wut. I literally said she didn’t find the game fun so she should leave. She then said she never said that, then I provided proof and she fled. TL:DR: If she doesn’t find it fun, stop playing, stop posting. To say what she said and do otherwise is simply doing it for the drama and if so, she shall be farmed accordingly 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/178 "2022-04-28T21:07:15Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > My question dealt with where the money is going within the game’s economy if it’s true that CCP is just shoving sticks up players’ asses, and not where that specific player’s money is going. Okay 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/179 "2022-04-28T21:08:22Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Wut. I literally said she didn’t find the game fun so she should leave. She then said she never said that, then I provided proof and she fled. > > TL:DR: If she doesn’t find it fun, stop playing, stop posting. To say what she said and do otherwise is simply doing it for the drama and if so, she shall be farmed accordingly Okay dude. 🙂 I can’t read. Thanks for the rundown of what happened 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/180 "2022-04-28T21:14:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I thought you said you’re done? I thought so too. Must be learning to lie from you. You’re a bad influence, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974/181 "2022-04-28T21:14:50Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Wut. I literally said she didn’t find the game fun so she should leave. She then said she never said that, then I provided proof and she fled. It’s
almost like watching cattle while they’re feeding. Their lives are focused solely around mindless consumption. I think we can chalk this up to plain old boomer lack of self-awareness, and move on. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974.md?page=10)