# The Psychology of Stagnation **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 28, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386 "2019-08-28T15:19:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/22 "2019-08-30T07:29:45Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Whose logic are we using? > > When offered two solutions to a problem that you only have the resources to apply one of the solutions, and either one could feasibly work, which one do you pick - and why? > > One uses logic to craft the solutions - then, if all things are equal, emotions have a bigger hand in making the actual decision between crafted solutions. > > Confidence is an emotion. > > –Gadget feels she’s got this The benefit of the most… and > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1ec08e5ba2944cb537749d68831ec11f6a160cdd.png) Exactly… Our emotions often simply stand in our way if a rational decision has to be made…getting rid of emotions solves this problem… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/23 "2019-08-30T11:08:15Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > The benefit of the most Is that the “most” you claim to represent, despite some of those people that you claim to represent telling you that you don’t represent them? > Our emotions often simply stand in our way if a rational decision has to be made…getting rid of emotions solves this problem… You talking about rational decisions? Don’t make me laugh, it hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/24 "2019-08-30T11:27:36Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > You talking about rational decisions? Don’t make me laugh, it hurts. I’m far more rational than you claim to be because I know that the mmog market has changed and a game has to adapt to it… All that YOU want is to keep an outdated status because a change would be inconviniend… Guess who is more rational in the eyes of a neutral spectator… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/25 "2019-08-30T11:46:22Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > I’m far more rational than you claim to be because I know that the mmog market has changed and a game has to adapt to it… The thing is that Eve has always been on the fringes of the existing MMO market, it is, and always has been, a niche product. In those circumstances the need to change is a matter of opinion not rationality. > All that YOU want is to keep an outdated status because a change would be inconviniend… You keep saying this, yet I am one of the people that you claim to represent, a highsec purely PvE player. The changes you constantly suggest won’t directly inconvenience me in any way and I still think that they’re terrible suggestions. > Guess who is more rational in the eyes of a neutral spectator… I’d hazard a guess at not you. You’ve constantly failed to present a rational argument instead relying on rhetoric, ill informed arguments and self aggrandisement. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/26 "2019-08-30T11:49:42Z")
By leaving decisions out of the hands of humans? That’s the only way you’ll completely divest emotion from human decision making. You’ll also lose human ingenuity as well. —Gadget usually picks the purple one - just because ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/27 "2019-08-30T11:51:32Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Gadget usually picks the purple one - just because I know your game Gadget. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/6/96deccf9c88873b021d7a5e60d3b31f6ded27557.png) ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/28 "2019-08-30T13:34:47Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > By leaving decisions out of the hands of humans? > > That’s the only way you’ll completely divest emotion from human decision making. You’ll also lose human ingenuity as well. Don’t you get that we are already in that state? Do you think f.e. a human decides if you get a credit card or not ? Well think again…it’s the street and the town you live in and your creditable behaviour in the past… Out of that a number is calculated by a machine…if you reach a number the answer is yes if you are below the answer is no… Decisions are ALREADY out of human hands… Welcome to the 21st century… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/29 "2019-08-30T13:45:17Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Do you think f.e. a human decides if you get a credit card or not ? > > Well think again…it’s the street and the town you live in and your creditable behaviour in the past… > Out of that a number is calculated by a machine…if you reach a number the answer is yes if you are below the answer is no… That’s not the initial stage of a credit card application, it’s the second. The first is a human being asking themselves if they wish to apply for a credit card, ergo the decision is still primarily in the hands of a human being. Logic isn’t your strong point, despite your protestations to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/30 "2019-08-30T13:56:09Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > That’s not the initial stage of a credit card application, it’s the second. > > The first is a human being asking themselves if they wish to apply for a credit card, ergo the decision is still primarily in the hands of a human being. > > Logic isn’t your strong point, despite your protestations to the contrary. You’re kidding right? This is about the DECISION if you get one or not and not about the desire to get one… Nice that you try to show my the flaws in my logic and stupidly fail in your yourself… ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/31 "2019-08-30T13:56:33Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > —Gadget usually picks the purple one - just because _ **PURPLES MUST DIE!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/32 "2019-08-30T14:04:25Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > You’re kidding right? Nope > This is about the DECISION if you get one or not Correct Do I want a credit card is the initial decision, and this decision is taken by a human being. > and not about the desire to get one… But this is the initial decision that needs to be made before a credit score is taken into account by an algorithm, without the initial decision there is no need for an algorithm to assess creditworthiness. > Nice that you try to show my the flaws in my logic and stupidly fail in your yourself… But your logic is flawed, your example was > Do you think f.e. a human decides if you get a credit card or not ? Is the person who asks themselves whether or not they get a credit card a human being or not? Now if a credit card was to be issued solely based on the whims of an algorithm without a person applying for it, then you’d have a point. But, it’s not. Therefore your argument is moot and your logic flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/33 "2019-08-30T14:06:50Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Do you think f.e. a human decides if you get a credit card or not ? Yes, because I (a human) need to decide to apply for a credit card to even get the process started. I might have been targeted by an algorithm, but the choice to apply for a card or not is still in the hands of a human. To demonstrate this - the ads for credit cards you receive as junk mail are designed to appeal to a person’s EMOTIONS. The robot overlords are still just assistants at this point… –Gadget has a decent credit rating ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/34 "2019-08-30T14:10:30Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > PURPLES MUST DIE! Only a green would say such an atrocity. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/7/5/f755282f6b50605a59f68678abc2ef66b59aa676.jpeg "Green vs Purple") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddxIfMRZemc) –Gadget knows Purple is best ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/35 "2019-08-30T14:42:36Z")
Guys, you really can’t separate emotions from cognition. They’re entangled together and practically part of the same system. There’s no point in the argument about it lol ---
**Author:** ![Yarda\_Black](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yarda_black/32/373282_2.png) [@Yarda\_Black](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yarda_Black)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/36 "2019-08-30T14:49:58Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > There’s no point in the argument WHAHAHAHA ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/37 "2019-08-30T16:20:32Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Yes, because I (a human) need to decide to apply for a credit card to even get the process started. > I might have been targeted by an algorithm, but the choice to apply for a card or not is still in the hands of a human. > > To demonstrate this - the ads for credit cards you receive as junk mail are designed to appeal to a person’s EMOTIONS. > > The robot overlords are still just assistants at this point… > > –Gadget has a decent credit rating Wrong… Those decisions are 100% automated these days… ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/38 "2019-08-30T16:25:31Z")
Salvos, is that you? –Human Gadget makes her OWN decisions ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/39 "2019-08-30T16:25:38Z")
Purple! -sneers - _green_ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/40 "2019-08-30T16:26:38Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Those decisions are 100% automated these days… So an algorithm sends me a credit card without me applying for it? How nice. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386/41 "2019-08-30T16:27:45Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > There’s no point in the argument about it lol I call for this to be stricken, your Honour on grounds of irrelevence [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-psychology-of-stagnation/186386.md?page=3)