# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/203 "2018-01-18T18:53:50Z")
I’m not going to end up in a CONCORD jail worshiping a light bulb??😕 ---
**Author:** ![Nalana\_Vos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nalana_vos/32/271977_2.png) [@Nalana\_Vos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nalana_Vos)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/204 "2018-01-18T18:55:06Z")
All legal! ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/205 "2018-01-18T18:58:34Z")
Then why do they need to be smuggled? Hmmmm? ---
**Author:** ![Nalana\_Vos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nalana_vos/32/271977_2.png) [@Nalana\_Vos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nalana_Vos)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/206 "2018-01-18T18:58:54Z")
that was the past… you are a bit missinformed ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/207 "2018-01-18T18:59:11Z")
They don’t anymore. That’s a more-or-less recent change. –Clean Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/208 "2018-01-18T19:01:01Z")
Still, I won’t end up as a brain dead light bulb groupie? ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/209 "2018-01-18T19:04:32Z")
Well… there are consequences for using, but you’re an immortal clone god. They’re temporary. –Counselor Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/210 "2018-01-18T19:23:01Z")
> [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > It’s then 20 odd pages… No, not really, about 6 since PvP is referenced again on page 21. > Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept. In the asteroid field you’re competing with other pilots to obtain resources; you may also have to defend against ore thieves. On the market you battle for control of the economy in certain areas; for the supply and demand of your products versus other aspiring tycoons. On the battlefield you may fight for glory, for money, or for the right to rule whole areas of space. As always in EVE, it’s your choice. Then again on page 22 (multiple times). That is not 20 pages of becoming a miner, explorer, etc. And as noted in the quote above those professions can have PvP aspects to them. The point is that in reading that FAQ that player-on-player competition is a fundamental aspect of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/211 "2018-01-18T19:37:34Z")
hah I posted the exact same quote less than a week ago in the Salty Snowflake thread. It appears that few people actually read the FAQ. ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/212 "2018-01-18T20:09:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Miner, Explorer, Industrialist etc all require you to operate under the eyes of other players and to engage with them using various means. Combat is simply one of those, but they all involve being against other players (PVP). Of course you are completely correct, these are PvP activities, and anyone who plays EvE knows that. But, that doesn’t mean these would be seen by a potential player as PvP. In fact many of these things are things you can do in other games without being “PvP”. Most new players who come into EvE aren’t used to or are not expecting the market PvP and the other types of PvP that is in EvE. To most non-EvE players “PvP” means fighting/duelling. [citation needed] I’m going to have to go with a lot of CCP’s official marketing does not promote “everything is PvP.” Of course it is, but they aren’t selling it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/213 "2018-01-18T20:10:39Z")
The first hit is always free… –Pusher Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Amame\_Kuro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amame_kuro/32/47495_2.png) [@Amame\_Kuro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amame_Kuro)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/214 "2018-01-18T20:21:16Z")
So true. In most games this would be considered cheating but CCP uses it to make more money. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/215 "2018-01-18T21:43:30Z")
Im not sure I have met anyone who has heard of EvE who doesnt know at least that loss is permenent and everyone is your enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/216 "2018-01-18T21:51:22Z")
So, because everyone in the world knows that MacDonalds food is complete crap, that means their marketing, is clearly telling everyone that their food is crap? CCP has been doing somewhat aggressive marketing since the release of Clone States. I’m sure that reached people who had not heard of EvE before. Even if it hadn’t the question was about how EvE was being marketed. And CCP is not marketing it as “everyone will kill you” and “everything is PvP.” ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/217 "2018-01-18T21:53:19Z")
If you say so, I havent seen any marketting at all. > [@Anjyl\_Took](#): > > So, because everyone in the world knows that MacDonalds food is complete crap, that means their marketing, is clearly telling everyone that their food is crap? No, because everyone knows it, and it is when you try some, that means it is exactly as you heard it. EvE is dangerous for characters who dont want to look after their own best interests. Its really that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/218 "2018-01-18T21:56:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > EvE is dangerous for characters who dont want to look after their own best interests. Its really that simple. No one is arguing that! I said you were right about how PvP EvE is. The point is that CCP isn’t saying that when they market the game. Why are you talking at all about the reality of the situation when the question isn’t what it is, but what the salesman said it is? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/219 "2018-01-18T21:58:25Z")
Why is what the salesman says relevant to anything? You dont strike me as the sort to listen to advertisements. ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/220 "2018-01-18T22:00:48Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Why is what the salesman says relevant to anything? Because that’s what we are talking about: > [@Anjyl\_Took](#): > > I’m going to have to go with a lot of CCP’s official marketing does not promote “everything is PvP.” Of course it is, but they aren’t selling it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/221 "2018-01-18T22:03:50Z")
> [@Anjyl\_Took](#): > > Most new players who come into EvE aren’t used to or are not expecting the market PvP and the other types of PvP that is in EvE. This is what I was responding to. I dont believe most new players havent heard of EvE before they see an advert. I only ever saw adverts long after Id started for example. ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/222 "2018-01-18T22:11:09Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I dont believe most new players havent heard of EvE before they see an advert. I would think otherwise, as someone who knows about EvE wouldn’t need the ad to get them to play. Regardless, trusting that everyone who sees your ad will know you are not telling the truth isn’t really a good way to go. Even if we think “everyone” will know what EvE is all about, it doesn’t change the fact that CCP is telling people it’s something else. I’m not saying EvE should be all about carebears, but since CCP is marketing “come be a carebear” we can’t really be surprised when newbros come and are surprised they can’t be nice safe carebears. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=12)