# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/283 "2018-01-22T09:39:20Z")
not even remotly close to whats going on here, ye may bitch and moan as much as ye like but ye shant turn it into the friendly little doll’s house ye seem to so desperately want it to be , because this is our mauldy auld sand pit with hair broken glass and teeth just under the surface and we like it this way. ---
**Author:** ![Duranor\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duranor_stone/32/49418_2.png) [@Duranor\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duranor_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/284 "2018-01-22T09:40:07Z")
The fact that a lot of eve players had to deal with. Doesnt mean that isnt discourging for the newbs. A lot of people play the game so they gain something while playing. In eve you have to wait for before you can go further. ---
**Author:** ![Duranor\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duranor_stone/32/49418_2.png) [@Duranor\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duranor_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/285 "2018-01-22T09:41:53Z")
How do you make that amount how many accounts at the same time? XD ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/286 "2018-01-22T09:42:03Z")
i bet you’re the sort that would complain about your pint of Guinness taking too long ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/287 "2018-01-22T09:43:18Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > this is our mauldy auld sand pit with hair broken glass and teeth just under the surface and we like it this way. That’s one opinion. Maybe you should take that opinion and go play WoW. That’s all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/288 "2018-01-22T09:44:24Z")
i dont like wow, so i dont play wow and demand i be changed to suit me … _madness_ i know ---
**Author:** ![Duranor\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duranor_stone/32/49418_2.png) [@Duranor\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duranor_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/289 "2018-01-22T09:45:03Z")
No I am not that kind of player if people actually read. I stated newbs not myself. ^^ Myself… I play other games such as life is feudal. mortal online wurm online. Where you all gain some experience but minimal. Amounts for example: 0.0031. But yeah I could possibly buy 2 skill injectors every week if I keep playing as I recently did. ^^. Just one account and ratting in 0.0… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/290 "2018-01-22T09:57:21Z")
Yeah, I remember those times and even though it took a long time to accomplish, there was immense pride and self satisfaction gained for doing it. CCP has now made the game so generic and automated with instant gratification that it practically plays itself. No wonder the log-in numbers are hurting. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/291 "2018-01-22T09:58:49Z")
even if you _could_ grind xp here, you would still have to wait. the difference is with passive xp **_you dont have to actually be actively doing the thing for that time_** , you can instead spend that time scanning anomilys running missions smack talking the degenerates in the trade hubs poking fun at the russians in the trade hubs fleeing the trade hubs making a sandwitch watching netflix going to the pub trying to pull failing to pull having a sad wank going to sleep going to work whatever , the point is , were this warframe or something else with active xp you would have to come back feeling shamefull and dirty and **_still_** have to grind that xp. mercifully eve has your back here and you can happily carry on with whatever it was you _were_ training for. Edit: derp spelling ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/292 "2018-01-22T10:08:52Z")
> [@Duranor\_Stone](#): > > How do you make that amount how many accounts at the same time? XD This was the beginning of the end. > **[EVE player uses $28,000 of skill injectors to create max character |...](https://massivelyop.com/2016/02/15/eve-player-uses-28000-of-skill-injectors-to-create-max-character/)** ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/293 "2018-01-22T10:25:02Z")
This game is now basically F2P and P2W that’s aimed at the Instant Gratification crowd. Over the years a lot of older players have left due to that fact. There’s still a small percentage of old school subscriptions still active, basically insuring a small steady flow of money. Since CCP still continues to change the game in that direction, more will leave and the numbers will continue to drop despite bringing in new players. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/294 "2018-01-22T10:30:19Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > P2W you can still slap a fool across the system , regardless of how much isk or sp he has if you know what you are doing. when that changes i _will_ leave, till then ye are stuck with me. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/295 "2018-01-22T10:31:56Z")
There used to be complaints about how skill training made the game Free2Win. Paid or free, SPs are worthless if you dont actually know what you are doing. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/296 "2018-01-22T10:36:37Z")
Bullcrap, that meme is older than dino rot and doesn’t hold true anymore. The News story about Ironbank creating a Titan pilot with a 3 day old character proves it. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/297 "2018-01-22T10:42:34Z")
500,000,000 sp does not make you a _good_ pilot it makes you **_a_** pilot. all thats changed is character age isnt as reliable a gauge as it used to be and to be fair, you could always have bought charachters ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/298 "2018-01-22T10:44:10Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > till then ye are stuck with me. Same here, I’ll keep my Omega Clone character training skills till the servers shut down so I can say: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/f/f6c7c365a17b88acd3eed5f17a51ff1b31864a02.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/299 "2018-01-22T14:22:59Z")
Training skills in order to train skills better. –Gadget Farms Remembers ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/300 "2018-01-22T14:44:30Z")
The ones that increased perception and intelligence would be handy for some… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Lopez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_lopez/32/484486_2.png) [@Mr\_Lopez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Lopez)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/301 "2018-01-22T15:20:46Z")
Lol, that reminded me of the short story Flowers for Algernon. If you are referring to rl attributes… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/302 "2018-01-22T15:40:30Z")
Pretty much this Sp doesn’t matter if you have no idea how the game works. The kb has more insight on a player’s capacities than sp or age ever will imo [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=16)