# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/344 "2018-03-07T13:48:19Z")
It’s actually not, but my point was that he can’t claim they don’t prove anything, and then use them to make a claim that they prove something. EVE’s numbers rose consistently for a decade, and you have to remember, it came out a year before WoW did, so WoW’s numbers were absolutely not declining while EVE’s were rising. That is just complete bulldust. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/345 "2018-03-07T13:50:07Z")
Except that CCP is not MacDonalds and EVE is not a happy-meal. Seriously, this are two completely different business models and they can’t be compared this way. ---
**Author:** ![Johnt\_Vaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnt_vaille/32/58199_2.png) [@Johnt\_Vaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnt_Vaille)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/346 "2018-03-07T13:50:13Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > and then use them I’m afraid he don’t ---
**Author:** ![Johnt\_Vaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnt_vaille/32/58199_2.png) [@Johnt\_Vaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnt_Vaille)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/347 "2018-03-07T13:50:40Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > this are two completely different business models proof it ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/348 "2018-03-07T13:51:10Z")
That’s okay, it’s normal to be afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/349 "2018-03-07T13:52:52Z")
You really want proof that Macca’s and EVE are two completely different products with different markets, models, and business structures? Really? Do you want proof that water is wet as well? Maybe some evidence that you have ten fingers? ---
**Author:** ![Johnt\_Vaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnt_vaille/32/58199_2.png) [@Johnt\_Vaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnt_Vaille)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/350 "2018-03-07T13:56:15Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > You really want proof that Macca’s and EVE are two completely different products with different markets, models, and business structures? Really? don’t say like economics Ph.D when such a provement is something you can easy do 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/351 "2018-03-07T13:56:53Z")
You’re right, proof is easy. One gives you diabetes, the other gives you autism. ---
**Author:** ![Johnt\_Vaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnt_vaille/32/58199_2.png) [@Johnt\_Vaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnt_Vaille)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/352 "2018-03-07T13:58:37Z")
It was paranoya instead ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/353 "2018-03-07T16:01:13Z")
Trolololo… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/354 "2018-03-07T19:30:48Z")
2014 called, they want their meme back… ---
**Author:** ![Voxinian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voxinian/32/57092_2.png) [@Voxinian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voxinian)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/355 "2018-03-07T20:07:06Z")
People leave because of this new forum that sucks monkey balls lolz. Or maybe it’s the new Aura voice that is 'cAnnecting me when I log in. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/356 "2018-03-07T21:27:37Z")
> [@starlight\_Dustcloud](#): > > Cutting to the chase the real reason most people drop out of this game is (and sure there is a lot to learn, not denying that ) players see a ship (or more) they like and yes appearances are important and so want fly it (Ie master it) they then find out it be almost three years before they are mastery 5. hence they say f…k this and move on to another game. (yes I’m new, been here about a yr and still playing) If you are here for one ship you are doing it wrong. You should be here for the sandbox experience. Which will entail using different ships as opposed to focusing on just one ship. > [@starlight\_Dustcloud](#): > > Oh you can tell me till your blue in the face that they drop out because its too complicated “that’s your own ego saying” I play a complex game and you cant understand it, but the true reason is the skill tree is so outdated and needs a major overhaul. My belief is that the game has gotten less ruthless which has made the game boring for many players. ---
**Author:** ![Johnt\_Vaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnt_vaille/32/58199_2.png) [@Johnt\_Vaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnt_Vaille)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/357 "2018-03-07T21:56:06Z")
> [@starlight\_Dustcloud](#): > > skill tree is so outdated and needs a major overhaul bring your thoughts ---
**Author:** ![blake\_m\_miron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blake_m_miron/32/35181_2.png) [@blake\_m\_miron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/blake_m_miron)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/358 "2018-03-07T22:29:39Z")
I dunno, is it really declining? I’m not talking about the Eve is Dying rants for 10 years now. Is the pop really declining? I blame that really one fat and bald british CCP Dev, i forgot his name. He will literally remove my posts or ban my alts from the forums all the time. He is literally the thought police and disregards all dissenting opinions. I will never support CCP until he is reprimanded or fired. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/359 "2018-03-07T22:35:48Z")
TBH, I wouldn’t mind EvE’s population declining by one. –Gadget calls thought-911 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/360 "2018-03-07T22:49:40Z")
May your alts post eternally. I count on you for keeping this man employed and forums running. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxxis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxxis/32/21024_2.png) [@Galaxxis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxxis)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/361 "2018-03-08T00:27:53Z")
Wow, I could either read this ridiculous wall of text, or go read the entire Bible. Wait no, instead I think I will go play the game and have a good time with friends. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/362 "2018-03-08T01:32:10Z")
> [@The\_Magic\_King](#): > > EVE is actually a very deep game. I suspect OP has never ventured beyond the first layer, like most people tbh. And, yet, you don’t see that as EVE’s problem? or as validation of what the OP is saying? This is what the game looks like when it presents itself to a new player, this is what the game looks like in its “…first layer…” > [@Memphis\_Baas](#): > > The game IS biased against pirates, suicide gankers, thieves. You just don’t see it. There are repercussions, it’s just that the high-sec crowd is so apathetic and unorganized that they don’t do anything about it. Seriously, form a corp, go to war, counter-spy, kill them till they cry. People who care to do this have already moved out of high-sec How’d this person manage to write this and NOT see the immediate contradiction??? 🤔 > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Except that CCP is not MacDonalds and EVE is not a happy-meal. > > Seriously, this are two completely different business models and they can’t be compared this way. Its actually pretty common in the gaming industry. The people who try a product but don’t stay with it far and away outnumber the people who stick with a product. For example there is a successful ARPG that regularly has what it calls “leagues”. If you cite the total number of people who participate in these leagues its really quite large. However, if you cite the number of people who participate to the half way point in the league the number drops by at least a whopping 80%! And, if you cite the number of people that stay with it to the end and complete the league that number drops to less than 1%!!! And, as everyone on their forums points out, there are two ways to read a graph of numbers like this. You can say: The number of players is at an all time high! or you can say: Only a small number of people are into this! Such numbers do NOT reflect the quality of the game. The numbers of subscribers do NOT reflect the number that is being retained. The numbers of subscribers only matter when you are talking about how much Money CCP is making. and like I keep saying, CCP could be making more money from people who try the game for 2 months then they do from people who have been playing the game for 10 years! (and what about the long time players that are plexing their accounts???) ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/363 "2018-03-08T02:18:07Z")
First of all, the numbers DO reflect the number of people playing and the amount of money CCP are making. The numbers given at EVE-offline account for the turnaround you’re speaking about, and provide means and medians, so you’re completely wrong. Secondly, while CCP aren’t making money directly from people who plex their account, they’re still making money from the people who buy the plex in the first place. This is a non-argument, and you should learn how the game works before you speak again and accidentally jam another foot in your mouth. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=19)