# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/465 "2018-03-30T15:18:50Z")
I agree. First I thought he was just a DramaQueen, as they happen … but further down the line he seems to be a phony. Please accept my apology. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/466 "2018-03-30T15:23:05Z")
Dont even bother replying to Yasique Gautier, he is a troll. He never lost a exhumer, looking at his zkillboard, all he has lost is a Catalyst, and a Coercer… And those were all 3+ years ago. Bad troll is a bad troll. ---
**Author:** ![Caco\_De\_mon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caco_de_mon/32/62653_2.png) [@Caco\_De\_mon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caco_De_mon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/467 "2018-03-30T15:28:53Z")
Pop has been pretty aren stable for 3 years now so…ya troll… ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/468 "2018-03-30T15:55:20Z")
Niche games are just like a wart faced troll hiding between the crevices of two rocks along side of a busy road. Eventually no one will travel the road any longer. In order the Niche Troll to begin a Prince and then a King…the troll has to stop hiding in crevices between rocks. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/469 "2018-03-30T15:59:41Z")
Yet this “niche” game is one of the longest-running MMO’s in gaming history… ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/470 "2018-03-30T16:11:01Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Yet this “niche” game is one of the longest-running MMO’s in gaming history… The simple answer is because CCP did a lot of things right with this game. Like got a working economy, then worked on balance. ---
**Author:** ![Yasique\_Gautier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yasique_gautier/32/243905_2.png) [@Yasique\_Gautier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yasique_Gautier)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/471 "2018-03-30T16:30:25Z")
![losses](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/a/3ad94cf4e23d2b62879c0968bfe46863cdb938f4.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/473 "2018-03-30T17:05:52Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Humans, as a very successful evolutionary strain, adapt. > > If it gets cold, we adapt by dressing warmer and making warmer homes. > > Have you ever seen another animal wear something for warmth, or light a fire in its home? > > It is exactly because we have the capacity to adapt, that we are such a success. > > We dont need to wait for evolution to adapt our species to endure cold with more fur. We already have our brains and opposable thumbs etc which allow us to adapt far quicker than only by natural selection across generations of reproduction and mutation. Typical. Using a theory that he doesn’t understand. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/474 "2018-03-30T17:14:17Z")
?? Oh… Dryson. NM. Let me give a better analogy. Niche games are that secret place that everyone may have heard of, but is too far away or difficult to get to. Normies only have hearsay and so create their own silly ‘theories’ about the place - never actually checking it out for themselves, but for those who do bother to make the trek, they find something magical. If the trek becomes easier, like a new road that caters to normies, then the beauty and wildness of the place will be spoiled. Keep New Eden Wild and Clean (ish) –Gadget says please pick up your litter ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/475 "2018-03-30T17:15:53Z")
> [@Yasique\_Gautier](#): > > OP is right, the community is rotten and I’m outta here. Might I suggest that living in your shell has made you…well…an ignoramus. Our community has Broadcast for Reps to help those who are depressed and contemplating suicide. There is PLEX for Good drives. And there are instances where large segements of the community have provided help and support to other community members or their families. Yes, in game we’ll do “terrible” things to each other. Lie, cheat, steal, blow each other up. But for most of us we keep it in perspective, it is a game where you can lie cheat, steal, and blow each other up…but we don’t take it so personally, nor do we consider the other guy an actual bad person IRL. And then there is you…crying in such a dramatic and ridiculous way on the forums because of…NPCs. Not even some other player who got the better of you…no because of _NPCs_. And why is that? Could it be because you have isolated yourself from other players who might have helped you? You have spent your entire time in game in a new player corp. Why? Interacting with others is a way to share information. Maybe you are unaware of patch notes, the forums, reddit, and Eve Universities website, and even things like youtube. But other players are not. Interacting with them is yet another way to pick up critical information as the game changes and evolves over time. You made a mistake. And here you sit steadfastly refusing to modify your behavior in light of your mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/476 "2018-03-30T17:30:13Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > And why is that? Could it be because you have isolated yourself from other players who might have helped you? You have spent your entire time in game in a new player corp. Why? Interacting with others is a way to share information. Maybe you are unaware of patch notes, the forums, reddit, and Eve Universities website, and even things like youtube. But other players are not. Interacting with them is yet another way to pick up critical information as the game changes and evolves over time. > > You made a mistake. And here you sit steadfastly refusing to modify your behavior in light of your mistake. More of the Insanity EVE Online requires! As EVE Players try to have it both ways, “Its a Sandbox” they chant, but “there’s a right and a wrong way to play EVE Online” they tell you whenever they need to make it appear as if it is the person complaining that is in the wrong. EVE Online is a Sandbox, as long as you join a Player Corp, stay in constant contact with your corp members, read patch notes, the forums, visit the EVE Uni website frequently, by which they mean multiple times a day, watch YouTube videos and reddit! Don’t forget the Reddit! So, you see, EVE Online is a Sandbox! You can do whatever you want to, go at your own pace, cause its a Sandbox! But don’t forget to play the Sandbox the right way! 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Gascogne\_Reingau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gascogne_reingau/32/63187_2.png) [@Gascogne\_Reingau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gascogne_Reingau)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/477 "2018-03-30T17:39:32Z")
I must says is fun to see people come up with some expert ideas to why eve population is declining and then see other respond as nasty as they can be. I mean you just have to read the forums and it´s clear as day eve players can be some major A-holes so much their mothers would cry so see that they raised you so well and yet you can´t be decent. But well on the internet no one knows who you are so so your safe from being strangled when being an ass. My idea why eve population is declining i simple every one has a different taste in games and eve is not for every one. Eve is rely niche to be honest and there are not super many sci-fi nuts out there. Then Also eve players tend to take this game way to serious which is bad if you can´t differ real life from video games you may need help. But yeah games that are popular today are mobas and games like pubg and battle royal it has nothing to do with eve is to hard, eve is simple it´s just a game that take a bit more dedication and time. But it has nothing to do with being hard that´s utter bull. But yeah simple answer is eve is niche and not a type of games that is popular among gamer´s today but that how it is when every one has a different taste in games. That´s how I see it but I can be completely wrong i´m not expert and do not wanna be an expert in it. Man what a boring job would that be, why is a game not popular doctor. ---
**Author:** ![Caco\_De\_mon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caco_de_mon/32/62653_2.png) [@Caco\_De\_mon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caco_De_mon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/478 "2018-03-30T17:42:04Z")
> Eve is rely niche to be honest and there are not super many sci-fi nuts out there. > …but I can be completely wrong Saved me a bit of typing…ty… ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/479 "2018-03-30T17:43:50Z")
Eve is not hard plain and simple, dealing with other aggressive players is where the complexity begins. Eve is just the platform provided for us to play out our grand designs. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/480 "2018-03-30T17:56:50Z")
Funny… > **[Yasique Gautier | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/93887822/)** > > Yasique Gautier: 1 ships destroyed and 2 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/481 "2018-03-30T18:06:39Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > More of the Insanity EVE Online requires! As EVE Players try to have it both ways, “Its a Sandbox” they chant, but “there’s a right and a wrong way to play EVE Online” they tell you whenever they need to make it appear as if it is the person complaining that is in the wrong. Bravo Sierra. I did not say there is a right and a wrong way. But that isolating yourself form the rest of the players will come with a cost. If you are not willing to incur that cost, then change your play behavior or leave the game. Stamping your foot like a petulant child and demanding the game be changed to conform to your foolish and imprudent behavior is arrogant and imposes costs on the rest of us who like the game as it is. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > EVE Online is a Sandbox, as long as you join a Player Corp, stay in constant contact with your corp members, read patch notes, the forums, visit the EVE Uni website frequently, by which they mean multiple times a day, watch YouTube videos and reddit! Don’t forget the Reddit! So, you see, EVE Online is a Sandbox! Again, if you want to be ignorant and uninformed and then blind sided by these changes…fine. But to complain that you made a choice to be ignorant and uninformed and the consequences that choice engenders that is on you for making such a choice. And…here is that man-child view I mentioned a few posts back. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > You can do whatever you want to, go at your own pace, cause its a Sandbox! But don’t forget to play the Sandbox the right way! 😡 Yes…and incur the consequences of those decisions. Grow up. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/482 "2018-03-30T18:13:39Z")
It really is not worth the effort. Those who are worth it are not going to argue or read this here anyway, and the rest only comes here because they have issues controlling their impulse driven behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Yasique\_Gautier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yasique_gautier/32/243905_2.png) [@Yasique\_Gautier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yasique_Gautier)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/483 "2018-03-30T18:30:01Z")
That website is wrong, I posted part of my combat logs above, I lost more than 2 ships. ---
**Author:** ![Gascogne\_Reingau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gascogne_reingau/32/63187_2.png) [@Gascogne\_Reingau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gascogne_Reingau)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/484 "2018-03-30T18:41:47Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Stamping your foot like a petulant child and demanding the game be changed to conform to your foolish and imprudent behavior is arrogant and imposes costs on the rest of us who like the game as it is. But doing the same thing but demand the game to change back how it used to be is okey ? ---
**Author:** ![Yasique\_Gautier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yasique_gautier/32/243905_2.png) [@Yasique\_Gautier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yasique_Gautier)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/485 "2018-03-30T18:53:41Z")
None is crying. I value my time needed to replace my loss. NPC attack was unpredictable and once it started - unescapable. I dont like this “feature”. Yes I was unaware, no its not my mistake. I tried to “interact” with “people” right after my ship was blown up - got lauched at, insulted for ignorance, etc. No I will not sell my ore stash to replace destoryed ship because I dont like the prices, I feel like its too low ISK for way too much risky efforts, for me its unfair. No I dont like the idea of joining corporations because as you correctly mentioned - “lie cheat, steal, and blow each other up” and I dont know means how to differ nice guys from persons with evil intent to take advantage of me. No I did not any mistake, I logged in after a year+ of absence and tried to continue where I left, then got myself blown up by newly added NPC gankers feature. Yes I modified my behaviour by cancelling subscription, because its too stressful, and reward is too little while risk of loss is higher than I can tolerate. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=25)