# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/506 "2018-03-31T05:55:46Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > CCP can’t even afford to hire people with degrees! Or rather, CCP is too busy literally burning money to pay the salaries of people with Degrees. I think this kind of contradictory incoherent rambling completely summarizes just about every post your write. I don’t think there could be more nonsense spewed than if you were actively working on a postmodernist English PhD dissertation about the transhuman abuses of thong underwear. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/507 "2018-03-31T07:29:36Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > I don’t think there could be more nonsense spewed than if you were actively working on a postmodernist English PhD dissertation about the transhuman abuses of thong underwear. I am so glad I did not sip my coffee while reading this. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/508 "2018-03-31T07:51:51Z")
The universal solution to more player population, would be reducing the price of subs/PLEX. Everyone likes a cheaper game. Its very hard to argue that wouldnt lead to more players. I dont think EVE needs that yet though. Just putting it out there to give some perspective on how player attraction/retention is a far wider issue than just ingame content. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/509 "2018-03-31T08:46:34Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > The only reason you like EVE Online is because you are in World-Of-Warcraft-DENIAL. Don’t know about the person you’re replying to, but I like EVE because it’s a welcome change from WoW. Here, there are no quests one has to do to progress (and it would appear that the Horde is being set up to be the mustache-twirling villains in the next expansion) and one is not made to be the singular Hero (one of millions and I’m not sure how one can be a “hero” given some of the writing). EVE has flaws, WoW has flaws, but the biggest flaw is to try and think EVE would be better if it was like WoW. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/510 "2018-03-31T09:16:30Z")
He is trolling people. I mean … it is either that or he completely identifies with the masses, which makes any response a complete waste of time. To be fair though, this applies to absolutely most responses to most people anyway. I go for troll. Actual troll. ---
**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/511 "2018-03-31T09:50:44Z")
Well, at least you (hopefully) have good memories of your time in EvE. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Mentorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mentorm/32/63845_2.png) [@Mentorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mentorm)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/512 "2018-03-31T10:51:31Z")
Bigger issue, is the population actually declining? It’s down from the old days but over the last 6 months to a year it seems pretty stable. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/513 "2018-03-31T11:06:03Z")
> [@Mentorm](#): > > It’s down from the old days but over the last 6 months to a year it seems pretty stable. Dunno. We dont have the data to differentiate between alts and players. I’m encouraged by the data we do have, and the parallel drop in PLEX price. Could be caused by any number of things, but imo, when boiled down, it suggests EVE is in a pretty good place atm. Lot of very severe/traumatic changes in the recent past. Seems they have evened out somewhat, and homeostasis is returning. ---
**Author:** ![Sixtyniner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sixtyniner/32/350883_2.png) [@Sixtyniner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sixtyniner)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/514 "2018-03-31T11:10:33Z")
Everything you take as a part you want changed / or is bad; is what makes the game for me, and I would believe, many others. This is not the game for you, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/515 "2018-03-31T11:37:33Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > > > CCP can’t even afford to hire people with degrees! Or rather, CCP is too busy literally burning money to pay the salaries of people with Degrees > > I think this kind of contradictory incoherent rambling completely summarizes just about every post your write. I don’t think there could be more nonsense spewed than if you were actively working on a postmodernist English PhD dissertation about the transhuman abuses of thong underwear. Seriously, some of you should go back to school. In the meantime google the word “OR” and read its definition. Either he likes pancakes _ **OR** _ he hates them so much he’s trying to eliminate the world supply. 👈 explain the “contradiction” to me. There is no doubt that EVE Online is marketed to everyone. The OP of this thread [Why does High-Sec Exist? - #200 by Sean\_Roach](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-high-sec-exist/61995/200) shows the lengths to which Marketing will go to convince you of things that are completely false. CCP Falcon’s set of outright lies are clearly aimed at World of Warcraft. They teach you to hate World of Warcraft and present themselves as the ‘True Way.’ But you are only be blinded by Hate. EVE Online is a collection of half developed, failed systems. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/516 "2018-03-31T11:54:23Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > EVE Online is a collection of half developed, failed systems. If you think WoW does it better, go play that instead. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/517 "2018-03-31T12:15:26Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > There is no doubt that EVE Online is marketed to everyone. CCP themselves state that Eve ISN’T for everyone, so why would they market it that way? > The OP of this thread Why does High-Sec Exist? shows the lengths to which Marketing will go to convince you of things that are completely false. The OP of that thread is you, and the only thing shown in that thread is the lengths that someone is prepared to go to in order to discredit a game that they neither like or play. > CCP Falcon’s set of outright lies are clearly aimed at World of Warcraft. > > They teach you to hate World of Warcraft and present themselves as the ‘True Way.’ Que? > But you are only be blinded by Hate. Internal reflection is good, projecting what you find there unto others is not. > EVE Online is a collection of half developed, failed systems. Your posts are a collection of tired tropes, and poorly hidden butthurt. TL;DR You sir, have a head full of snakes. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/518 "2018-03-31T12:18:11Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > They teach you to hate World of Warcraft and present themselves as the ‘True Way.’ This is the prevalent attitude on these forums and is generally characteristic of EVE players. Good luck changing that. Whether or not that is through programming or because they genuinely dislike WoW and prefer EVE is another matter however, and not something you can make blanket statements about. I will say for the 4 years that I played WoW, I don’t remember anyone giving a rats arse about EVE, so I do find it somewhat surprising that many EVE players seem a little obsessed with WoW and have an odd, self validating, superiority confirming, ego massaging need to hold themselves above it. But then again, Battlefield and CoD players have always done that, each needing to believe that their particular brand of choice is superior to the other. Personally, I play what I play, I like what I like. The above posturing is all nonsense to me. It’s okay for people to dislike WoW and prefer EVE and vice versa. Considering where we are currently posting, it’s especially okay for people to prefer EVE to WoW. There is nothing wrong with this. They are not doing something wrong that needs correcting as you seem to suggest. You seem surprised to encounter people fiercely defensive of EVE when posting on the EVE forums. You will get as far here as you will if you go onto a Justin Bieber fanpage and try to convince them that he isn’t a very good artist. As much as I might feel ill for merely having typed his name (forgive me Father for I have sinned) if they like him, they like him. I do not need to correct their musical tastes. Likewise, you do not need to correct the gaming tastes of anyone here. As with dear old Justin who I simply do not listen to, if EVE is not for you, you simply need not play it. Hating is not needed. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > But you are only be blinded by Hate. And yet as illustrated above, you are the hater in this scenario. You frequently have nothing good to say about a game that you don’t need to play on a forum you don’t need to post on. This has now evolved into a bizarre conspiracy theory that everyone who plays EVE has been brainwashed into hating WoW by the evil mind control experts at CCP HQ. You need to stop now, it’s getting silly. I apologize for this overdose of common sense, but If you really think WoW is so much better, just go and play that? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/519 "2018-03-31T12:23:16Z")
We are being trolled. @Auto-da-fe has not posted any solution to resolve the issue he claims to be problematic. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/520 "2018-03-31T12:58:09Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > > > They teach you to hate World of Warcraft and present themselves as the ‘True Way.’ > > This is the prevalent attitude on these forums and is generally characteristic of EVE players. Good luck changing that. > > Whether or not that is through programming or because they genuinely dislike WoW and prefer EVE is another matter however, and not something you can make ⚡ _ **blanket statements** _ ⚡ about. > > I will say for the 4 years that I played WoW, I don’t remember anyone giving a rats arse about EVE, so I do find it somewhat surprising that many EVE players seem a little obsessed with WoW and have an odd, self validating, superiority confirming, ego massaging need to hold themselves above it. Please, go down to your local College and take a few refresher courses. Please! this person says “you can’t make Blanket statements” right before making an even Bigger blanket statement! I was talking to a specific person, about that person’s specific expressions. You’re talking … excuse me … blanketing most of the EVE playerbase! Then … the Justin Bieber analogy. (this is the edited in sentence) Demonstrates your childish mentality. > [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > And yet as illustrated above, you are the hater in this scenario. You frequently have nothing good to say about a game that you don’t need to play on a forum you don’t need to post on. > > This has now evolved into a bizarre conspiracy theory that everyone who plays EVE has been brainwashed into hating WoW by the evil mind control experts at CCP HQ. > > You need to stop now, it’s getting silly. I don’t know, since its all a matter of “common sense” and NOT “common knowledge”, shouldn’t you have concluded your post … like this … \<“…You frequently say the most hurtful things about a game that you don’t need to play on a forum you don’t need to post on and this clearly demonstrates that **_you LOVE EVE ONLINE SO MUCH IT HURTS!_** …”\> Its true. 😭 I love EVE Online so much I just want to see them throw EVE Online in a dumpster somewhere, and start all over again. And give EVE Online the attention and love that we all know she deserves. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![ZorMighty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zormighty/32/22143_2.png) [@ZorMighty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ZorMighty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/521 "2018-03-31T13:19:44Z")
I start to read that wall of text, but then remind myself that devs do not give a f\*\*\* about healthy game envirament for new/casual players, I found only one worse that than game design, when SOE released vanguard, year before actually finishing it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/522 "2018-03-31T13:24:20Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > … What, exactly, do you want changed? ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/523 "2018-03-31T13:25:08Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Please, go down to your local College and take a few refresher courses. Please! No you. If you can stop spouting nonsense for a moment, have a think about why you believe that _everyone else_ has the comprehension issues. Whenever you find yourself in one of those _it’s_ _everyone else_ situations, you ought to take a look at yourself and check that the issue is not in fact you (in this case, it is). > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > this person says “you can’t make Blanket statements” right before making an even Bigger blanket statement! Prevalent =| everyone. Generally characteristic =| everyone. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > I was talking to a specific person, about that person’s specific expressions. No you were not. If you have to pretend that you were only talking about one guy immediately after making statements about CCP and the entire EVE playerbase then clearly even you know you are talking nonsense and would rather lie than defend your own comments. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Demonstrates your childish mentality. Your inability to see past the figure used as an example is generally characteristic of your lack of intelligence and says nothing about me. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > I love EVE Online so much I just want to see them throw EVE Online in a dumpster somewhere ![kRpb090](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/c/5cecbef14880b93244b63a2c83027d15a04293c2.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/524 "2018-03-31T13:58:05Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > > > I was talking to a specific person, about that person’s specific expressions. > > No you were not. Am too! oh… yes, right. ahem. Just because you read out of context is NOT my problem. Scroll up. I’m talking to the person who introduced the “comparison with World of Warcraft.” > [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > > > Demonstrates your childish mentality. > > Your inability to see past the figure used as an example is generally characteristic of your lack of intelligence and says nothing about me. Analogies, in general (if you can handle the use of that word) are for children. By which I mean, USED BY children. Especially the very long, and very laborious analogies used by you. In which you use multiple paragraphs to say the same thing. The fact that you use a Justin Beiber analogy compounds this because he’s a childish figure. One, I’m sure, that you can assume children would be familiar with. Or (there’s that word again) maybe one you are very familiar with despite your “posturing”. When you guys finally get to go to College, and you’re siting in your first English class, English 101, you are going to be so surprised when you realize that Auto-Da-Fe was right all along. And I am right. You guys are allowing your “education” to deteriorate. You need to go back to school and take some refresher courses! ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/525 "2018-03-31T14:17:10Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > I’m talking to the person About CCP teaching the EVE playerbase to hate World of Warcraft, or are you seriously trying to claim that you meant CCP only teaches Teckos to hate World of Warcraft? Do you even understand the point here? Do you know why you are defending the fact that you were talking to one person? Do you have any reason to believe that is relevant or changes the fact that you were making blanket statements in that conversation with that one person? You don’t understand the questions asked or the answers you yourself give at all do you? You literally do not know what you are talking about it. Fascinating. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Especially the very long, and very laborious analogies used by you. In which you use multiple paragraphs to say the same thing. It was one paragraph. 🤣 > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > When you guys finally get to go to College This is real childishness. No one else in this thread can hold a candle to you for that. Also, and I really shouldn’t stoop to your level but what the hell, your posts are the most poorly written in this thread and scream loud and clear that if anyone needs to go to College, it is you. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > We are being trolled. Inclined to agree. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What, exactly, do you want changed? I noticed you skipped right past this question Auto. Why don’t you answer this instead of the general trolling that seems to characterize your posts? 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=27)