# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/734 "2018-04-10T22:05:22Z")
Geez try to abbreviate something and this happens… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/735 "2018-04-10T22:23:54Z")
> [@Alopex-Lagopus](#): > > Geez try to abbreviate something and this happens Well, a lot of people cry over wardecs, not realizing that it’s their own leadership that let them down. Nullsec is definitely a better alternative to incompetent CEOs. ---
**Author:** ![MorliDots22](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morlidots22/32/159489_2.png) [@MorliDots22](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MorliDots22)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/736 "2018-04-10T22:24:32Z")
The answer was given by a russian fable poet Ivan Krylov from 18/19 century 🙂 ``` When partners can't agree Their dealings come to naught And trouble is their labor's only fruit. ``` * * * Once Crawfish, Swan and Pike Set out to pull a loaded cart, And all together settled in the traces; They pulled with all their might, but still the cart refused to budge! The load it seemed was not too much for them: Yet Crawfish scrambled backwards, Swan strained up skywards, Pike pulled toward the sea. Who’s guilty here and who is right is not for us to say- But anyway the cart’s still there today. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/738 "2018-04-10T23:23:13Z")
Your moving goal posts is duly noted. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/739 "2018-04-11T08:47:30Z")
What is broken is that people believe that safety and protection are going to help them learning how to survive. Life Pro Tip: They do not. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/740 "2018-04-11T08:52:57Z")
I have had enough of this guy. Enough is enough. We do not need these kind of people around here. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/741 "2018-04-11T09:09:58Z")
Thank you for showing us that you use several characters, or alternatively, that you are completely mindless… though we knew that part already. You are a goner. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/742 "2018-04-11T10:32:48Z")
> [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](#): > > > [@Bibosikus](#): > > > > Theres no warning > > Patch notes? While in general i agree with you i’m pretty sure you don’t recheck again the whole Road Traffic rules every time you are going to use your car. And when something gets changed they usually put new road signs and such stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Razakien\_Okel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/razakien_okel/32/58510_2.png) [@Razakien\_Okel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Razakien_Okel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/743 "2018-04-11T15:00:19Z")
Giving more EHP to transports would take away business from the professional haulers you refer to and take away player interaction as players would fall into the “self reliant” trap you mentioned. Yes I gank T1 transports. Almost every victim was poorly fit or poorly piloted. ---
**Author:** ![Razakien\_Okel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/razakien_okel/32/58510_2.png) [@Razakien\_Okel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Razakien_Okel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/744 "2018-04-11T15:20:58Z")
I’m pretty sure I also casually play that game and EvE is vastly superior in every way. I don’t know if there are rules on mentioning game names but we refer to WoW a lot, so here goes… The game you are talking about is Albion Online, whose advert is a miner’s wet dream, implying a single miner matters (clue: you don’t). I don’t recommend you check out that game, you will be disappointed. You will have the exact same problems with it that you do here, but with less you can do about it. In fact, EvE players are at the helm of most PvP battle commands, successful guilds and schemes in there. When a good EvE player (i.e. not a player like you) goes to these other games, they dominate. Stop trying to make EvE boring and not unique. Every game needs a USP, don’t make this WoW in space. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/745 "2018-04-11T15:28:02Z")
> [@Razakien\_Okel](#): > > I don’t recommend you check out that game, you will be disappointed 😭 > [@Razakien\_Okel](#): > > In fact, EvE players are at the helm of most PvP battle commands, successful guilds and schemes in there. When a good EvE player (_**i.e. not a player like you)**_ goes to these other games, they dominate. > > Stop trying to make EvE boring and not unique. Every game needs a USP, don’t make this WoW in space. The ISD or CCP already completely removed my thread entitled "“EVE Online is just World of Warcraft-LITE.” My intention was to state, that EVE Online is already enough like World of Warcraft to credit being called “World-of-Warcraft-LITE.” Zero-Calorie World of Warcraft! Sugar-Free World of Warcraft! EVE Online is World of Warcraft-LITE! ---
**Author:** ![Razakien\_Okel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/razakien_okel/32/58510_2.png) [@Razakien\_Okel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Razakien_Okel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/746 "2018-04-11T15:29:17Z")
I was expecting some better substantiated arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/747 "2018-04-11T15:45:40Z")
About a bajillion posts back, the differences between World of Warcraft and EVE Online was a topic of discussion, and it was proven! that these “differences” don’t actually exist, that the very idea that there are “differences” is the product of marketing, that marketing campaigns convince you to view World of Warcraft negatively, and criticize it as harshly and as mercilessly as possible, while at the same time that marketing convinces you to view games like EVE Online leniently, forgivingly, blinding you to its shortcomings as well as its similarities to World of Warcraft. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/748 "2018-04-11T15:47:31Z")
Claiming EVE is like WoW is like claiming Arma 3 is Battlefield 4 lol Apples and pears ---
**Author:** ![Razakien\_Okel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/razakien_okel/32/58510_2.png) [@Razakien\_Okel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Razakien_Okel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/749 "2018-04-11T15:48:37Z")
That’s like the difference between a hot drink and cold drink. They have similarities, can serve similar purposes, but ultimately are selected and handled in a completely different way, with different people favouring them. Are you trying to defend WoW or attack EvE? What are you after, actually? Edit: usual typos, i always make the same ones… ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/750 "2018-04-11T15:48:50Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > Over the last year I’ve been PVPing when I had time to play [https://evewho.com/pilot/Kobran+'Ruthless'+Vaidrich](https://evewho.com/pilot/Kobran+%27Ruthless%27+Vaidrich) Joined a corp in less than a day… \<3 months of missioning without 1 death\> > **[Kobran 'Ruthless' Vaidrich | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2113203535/)** > > Kobran 'Ruthless' Vaidrich: 43 ships destroyed and 34 ships lost. 1 week of PVP… playing ECMmer. Can you show your main? This is one of your alts. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/751 "2018-04-11T15:53:26Z")
I like how he has “ruthless” in his name, because otherwise no one would notice … ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/752 "2018-04-11T15:55:11Z")
I’m scared already /s ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/753 "2018-04-11T15:58:59Z")
> [@Razakien\_Okel](#): > > That’s like the difference between a hot drink and cold drink. They have similarities, can serve similar purposes, but ultimately are selected and handled in a completely different way, with different people favouring them. > > Are you trying to defend WoW or attack EvE? What are you after, actually? there’s nothing to object to in the above quote. Because, what you are saying is; “The difference is actually the people.” to which … I agree. I strongly agree! The people playing EVE Online should get 6 months of Community Service EVERY time they log in! 🙄 but, the differences between the actual games is very small. Art-work … and … ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/754 "2018-04-11T16:07:39Z")
Man all that crying just because you are bad at a game… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517.md?page=38)