# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/61 "2018-01-17T13:42:57Z")
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**Author:** ![Pestilen\_Ratte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pestilen_ratte/32/42087_2.png) [@Pestilen\_Ratte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pestilen_Ratte)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/62 "2018-01-17T13:58:04Z")
I am ethically confused about paying subscription to mine rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/63 "2018-01-17T13:59:41Z")
1- welcome to EVE 2- EVE isn’t meant to be fair 3- see #1 4- I think it’s a pretty good simulation of what happens when you allow people to take (most) control over a certain environment. I don’t know of any other game that can show rl politics with such details. 5- see #2 HTFU ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/64 "2018-01-17T14:28:15Z")
The game is simply boring. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/65 "2018-01-17T14:29:28Z")
Just my 2c After 2012-13, CCP prioritized PvP and nullsec based on customer satisfaction and didn’t made enough to keep the less satisfied but majoritary PvE highsec demographic. It turns that nullsec and PvPrs still aren’t satiisfied, but highsec PvErs have taken a serious hit in terms of population, forcing CCP to make the F2P move and yet that hasn’t stopped the decay of the game population and subscriber base. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/66 "2018-01-17T14:32:33Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > The game is simply boring but I’m still posting here on the forums for attention Ftfy… ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/67 "2018-01-17T14:33:47Z")
How is it attention seeking? ---
**Author:** ![Loutro\_Fift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loutro_fift/32/195473_2.png) [@Loutro\_Fift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loutro_Fift)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/68 "2018-01-17T14:42:22Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > > [@Loutro\_Fift](#): > > > > Guess OP doesn’t get the survival of the fittest theory. > > I’m guessing YOU are the one who doesn’t understand the survival of the fittest theory. If you define it as one cell in your body, then none of your cells are fit to survive. Similarly, if you define it as the propogation of you, your own self and nothing else, then . . . that’s one way of looking at it. The OP seems to be looking at it from a wider viewpoint, a system-wide viewpoint. Think about it this way: if the cells in your foot were complete [expletive deleted] and took all available resources and grew beyond their “intended” size and purpose, YOU would die and thus THEY would die. That’s not “fitness”; is it? > > hth My foot is my alliance which destroys your toe. OP is preaching self righteousness and really doesn’t understand both human nature. Hth ---
**Author:** ![Loutro\_Fift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loutro_fift/32/195473_2.png) [@Loutro\_Fift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loutro_Fift)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/69 "2018-01-17T14:43:24Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > The game is simply boring. You lack imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/70 "2018-01-17T14:45:55Z")
I shouldn’t need a large amount of imagination to make a game fun to play. Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/71 "2018-01-17T14:50:11Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > I shouldn’t need a large amount of imagination to make a game fun to play. Nice try. Cliched as this response is, if you don’t find it fun, don’t play it. I don’t find watching cricket fun, but you won’t find me on a cricket forum moaning about how boring it is. ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/72 "2018-01-17T14:51:05Z")
That would be true in any other type of game. But the sandbox nature of EVE puts a lot of the burden of content creation in the hands of the players. Either EVE doesn’t appeal to you or you are incompetent at making your own fun. ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/73 "2018-01-17T14:53:40Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > Cliched as this response is, if you don’t find it fun, don’t play it. > > I don’t find watching cricket fun, but you won’t find me on a cricket forum moaning about how boring it is. I regretfully bought a years sub when it was on offer so that’s why I’m here. The time investment compared to the fun output is not balanced well at all. That is what makes the game boring. When you play any other game it becomes incredibly noticable. No need to get butthurt at me because I made a negative post, get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/74 "2018-01-17T14:54:46Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > time investment compared to the fun output ?? Well adulted. Time put all childish games away. –Gadget - still a kid inside ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/75 "2018-01-17T14:54:55Z")
> [@Quelza](#): > > That would be true in any other type of game. But the sandbox nature of EVE puts a lot of the burden of content creation in the hands of the players. Either EVE doesn’t appeal to you or you are incompetent at making your own fun. It’s not for me, but I am invested in the game which is the problem, and I don’t just mean because of the subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/76 "2018-01-17T14:58:44Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > No need to get butthurt at me because I made a negative post, get over it. Yes, I am the one that sounds butthurt 🙃 > [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > The game is simply boring. > [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > I shouldn’t need a large amount of imagination to make a game fun to play. > [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > I regretfully bought a years sub when it was on offer so that’s why I’m here. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/77 "2018-01-17T14:59:26Z")
> [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](#): > > ears sub when it was on offer so that’s why I’m here. The time investment compared to the fun output is not balanced well at all. That is what ma So I’m not allowed to reply to anyone without being butthurt now? Don’t be ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/78 "2018-01-17T15:00:51Z")
Tell us… Were you mining? Lol ---
**Author:** ![Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobran_ruthless_vaidrich/32/466355_2.png) [@Kobran\_Ruthless\_Vaidrich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/79 "2018-01-17T15:01:55Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/80 "2018-01-17T15:05:03Z")
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