# The real reasons player population is declining **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517 "2018-01-16T17:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/855 "2018-04-14T16:02:47Z")
Regarding Alpha… Please stop saying they don’t pay. All you know is that they do not pay a subscription. You don’t know if they pay for other things. Here is a helpful hint for everyone: When you use something for “free” on the internet you are _ **not** _ the customer. _ **You are the product.** _ When you use google, you are the product. When you use Facebook, you are the product. When you use instagram, you are the product. Your information is going to be used for marketing purposes. All we know about Alphas is that they do not pay a subscription. We have no idea if they buy PLEX or how much. The notion that they are not putting money into CCPs wallet is pure speculation. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Hold on a second… > > That means this thread could, or should, be closed? Yes, despite the monomaniacal pessimists wanting to speculate on CCP’s financials, yes. The population has stopped declining when you look at EVE Offline. As to how many Alphas are in there and how much money they do or don’t pay is just stupid speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/857 "2018-04-14T16:57:47Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Yes! Except for one, small, thing which apparently gets in the way of all Trolls. READING. The OP isn’t about Alphas, whether they pay or not. The OP isn’t about daily log-in numbers, whether they are declining or not, or remaining steady. Hmmmm… Can you do me a favor and quote the title of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/858 "2018-04-14T17:03:57Z")
I have a post, that is the start of a Thread, and I’m very familiar with the fact that people ONLY seem to be able to comprehend Titles of threads. I was thinking of naming a thread; “Starbursts, purple, Ancient Kingdoms, K-pop” and the body of the thread would be a typical Anti-suicide gank post, just to see how many people would respond with comments about Starbursts, the color purple, Ancient kingdoms, and K-pop! The OP is about the ethics of EVE Online and its development. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/859 "2018-04-14T17:06:38Z")
Really so the title that claims the population is declining is…not about the reasons for the decline? Wow you are an impressive mind reader. And since the decline has stopped and population numbers have rebounded a teeny tiny bit…guess we can close it. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/860 "2018-04-14T17:08:27Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > so the title that claims the population is declining is…not about the reasons for the decline? > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Except for one, small, thing which apparently gets in the way of all Trolls. READING. The OP isn’t about Alphas, whether they pay or not. The OP isn’t about daily log-in numbers, whether they are declining or not, or remaining steady. > > The OP is about the Ethics of EVE Online and its development. > > The OP is saying that people are leaving EVE Online on the grounds of Ethics. READING is fundamental. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/861 "2018-04-14T17:10:45Z")
So if the population is no longer declining maybe ethis are not really an issue. But keep up your monomaniacal obsession. It is good for all of us to have someone we can point to and laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/862 "2018-04-14T17:11:31Z")
Or maybe you should change the title of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/863 "2018-04-14T17:16:36Z")
Another opportunity to repeat myself! Oh Joy! Geez, can’t the ISD or CCP do something, anything, about people that post the same thing over and over and over again??? Its unbelievable!!! It’s absolutely unbelievable!!! You know, the only reason that I don’t post “Starbursts, purple, Ancient Kingdoms, K-pop” is because the ISD and CCP can’t read either! and they’ll just remove the thread because EVE Online doesn’t have anything to do with Starbursts or the color purple or Ancient Kingdoms or K-pop! ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/864 "2018-04-14T17:17:23Z")
Then they would have to ban you. Hmmm…wait that doesn’t sound half bad. ---
**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/865 "2018-04-14T17:22:31Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > EVE Online is being designed BY Cyberbullies! Really, guy? You are calling CCP cyberbullies? That’s a fairly serious accusation. CCP does and does not do plenty of things with their game that I disagree with, but you are accusing them of real-world crimes? nah ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/866 "2018-04-14T17:33:35Z")
Could you explain “monomaniacal”, please? ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/867 "2018-04-14T17:34:59Z")
> [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](#): > > > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > > > EVE Online is being designed BY Cyberbullies! > > Really, guy? > > You are calling CCP cyberbullies? > > That’s a fairly serious accusation. > > CCP does and does not do plenty of things with their game that I disagree with, but you are accusing them of real-world crimes Typical Troll Reading Fail. Typical Troll trying to cause someone else to suffer for something they are fabricating. And that! is a violation of the T.O.S.! And I, of course, expect CCP to do nothing about i! I would hope that everyone takes CyberBullying seriously! I would hope that everyone would take the stance that there is no place in the Internet for Cyberbullying! And, I would hope that everyone would commit themselves to stamping out CyberBullying WHEREVER it occurs! EVE ONLINE is a game that ENABLES Cyberbullys to victimize others! Let’s see you take the unequivocal stance against Cyberbullying! ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/868 "2018-04-14T17:37:39Z")
Singular focus on a topic to the point of obsessive zeal. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/869 "2018-04-14T17:41:27Z")
Blowing up your ship is not bullying. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/870 "2018-04-14T18:11:03Z")
> [@Captain\_Bastard](#): > > But _ **what really offended me** _ was the fact that on one hand gankers could use active cargo scanners to see people’s cargoholds with detail to pick their _ **victims** _, but on the other hand, _ **I/we cannot use any anti-target-lock in high sec space, or anything else that would prevent it,** _ including a sad, inexcusable lack of what would be natural innovations if this WERE a ‘Simulation’. This is one of many tell-tale signs and indications that _ **the game is knowingly and in fact intentionally biased for all the worst behavior,** _ and against people who just want to have some fun and go about their business. > [@Captain\_Bastard](#): > > When the whole game, the casino, and the city the casino is in is rigged against a player, a lot of people will choose to just not have anything to do with it and leave on principle alone, because most people don’t like being played, preyed, and essentially taken advantage of when they are paying for the privilege, > [@Captain\_Bastard](#): > > It goes beyond a negative game experience, it is altogether malicious, and makes the game UGLY. - But its completely tolerated. > [@Captain\_Bastard](#): > > Its not just that the odds are against them, the game itself as it is set up and run against them. This is the point that the OP is making, that it is NOT gameplay, it is Victimization! because everything in the game is designed FOR the Cyberbully! To Enable the Cyberbully. The aggressor is given every conceivable advantage and the _ **victim** _ is NOT only stripped of options or counter-play but penalized! heavily! mislead and misdirected! And the cry for some type of counter-play, for some type of balance is completely ignored!!! Who can ignore the fact that players are feeling vicitmized??? Only a Cyberbully! Who can ignore the fact that players are feeling bullied??? Only a Cyberbully! Who can ignore the cry for Balance! Fairness! Ethics!!! Only a Cyberbully! ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/871 "2018-04-14T18:53:06Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > This is the point that the OP is making, that it is NOT gameplay, it is Victimization! because everything in the game is designed FOR the Cyberbully! Not cyberbullying. Working as intended. Everyone agrees to this possible outcome when they download the client. Blowing up your ship because you took on too much risk, knowingly or unknowingly, is totally intended game play and is in no way what so ever cyberbullying. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > The aggressor is given every conceivable advantage and the victim is NOT only stripped of options or counter-play but penalized! heavily! mislead and misdirected! There are plenty of counter play options. For example almost every freighter gank starts with a player putting way too much ISK value into their cargo hold. Don’t do that. Even when this does not happen a gank can still occur for totally legitimate reasons. If the freighter pilot is an alt of a hostile entity and is used for the logistics for that hostile entity ganking that freighter is totally legitimate. Keep the identity of you OOC haulers secret. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > And the cry for some type of counter-play, for some type of balance is completely ignored!!! The counter play is don’t be an idiot and take on too much risk. In a game notorious for actions having consequences the real blame literally goes on those taking too much risk in a foolish and imprudent manner. When people, IRL, are foolish and imprudent they should feel that pain of that imprudence and foolishness otherwise they’ll just keep doing it…and others might join in. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Who can ignore the fact that players are feeling vicitmized??? Only a Cyberbully! They are a victim of their own ignorance and imprudence. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Who can ignore the fact that players are feeling bullied??? Only a Cyberbully! You aren’t being bullied if you are the target of activities that are within the rules of the game and the game’s culture and you are taking on tremendous risk. > [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Who can ignore the cry for Balance! Fairness! Ethics!!! Only a Cyberbully! The game is balanced in regards to freighter ganking. The problem are those players who are foolish and imprudent either willfully or via ignorance. The reason the rest of think you are nuts is because we understand the nature of the game. That you can and will die, in game, at the hands of other players and that such an event comes with a cost–i.e. lost ship, modules, etc. and that they will not be fully reimbursed. Fully and totally intended from day 1 of this game. We are all adults, unlike you, even those who are teenagers and play with permission of a suitable adult. You have got to be the most butthurt shrinking violet on the forums…you start a thread and keep it going for closing in on 900 posts about how upset you are over what is likely a trivial loss. You are the epitome of a man child. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/872 "2018-04-14T19:04:29Z")
says the guys with more posts than anyone else in the thread. If you don’t want the thread to continue, stop contributing to it. simple. I understand that you can’t help yourself. you lack the self-discipline necessary. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/875 "2018-04-15T14:00:19Z")
Ehhhh That was a bit much… More suited for a PM. Removed 1 post. If you had found a way to sway it so that it was at least somewhat discussing the Topic, It would of stayed. ~Buldath ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/876 "2018-04-15T15:09:55Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > I understand that you can’t help yourself. you lack the self-discipline necessary. /gigglesnort –Gadget couldn’t help herself either 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-reasons-player-population-is-declining/51517/877 "2018-04-16T05:09:29Z")
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