# The Real Victim of Ganking? The Ganker **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 19, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618 "2025-05-19T01:48:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote/32/444813_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/1 "2025-05-19T01:48:28Z")
Everyone loves to talk about ganking like it’s some bold, high-stakes gameplay. But here’s a different angle: > **Gankers are victims of CCP’s failure to evolve the game.** They’re stuck in a loop: - Fly a cheap suicide ship. - Kill a defenseless target. - Die to CONCORD (as planned). - Repeat forever. That’s not emergent gameplay. That’s **mechanical stagnation**. There’s no meaningful progression, no new gameplay mechanics, and no pressure to adapt or improve. Just recycled killmails in a system that hasn’t meaningfully changed in over a decade. Meanwhile, the rest of EVE moves on—new ships, new events, new content. But gankers? Still pressing F1 in a Catalyst. Still using the same kill zone. Still relying on the same predictable mechanics. > CCP never gave them tools to grow into actual pirates—no turf control, no smuggling, no bounty hunting, no reactive AI response, no player retaliation incentives. So what do they do? They run the script. Because that’s all the system allows. And the cost? - Targets quit. - Gankers burn out. - The sandbox shrinks. * * * **If CCP wants to revitalize highsec and PvP, it’s not about removing ganking. It’s about giving it real depth.** Let ganking evolve into piracy. Let players rise, fall, and fight over something that matters. Right now, nobody’s winning—not even the gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote/32/444813_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/2 "2025-05-19T01:50:47Z")
* * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/3/5/a35c61bb39094ec20c095ca045b941ad28b6e215.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/3 "2025-05-19T01:57:23Z")
Stop whining. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/4 "2025-05-19T02:00:29Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote](#): > > Kill a defenseless target That’s not always the case… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/5 "2025-05-19T02:01:07Z")
He just wants to spam us with debunked AI nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/6 "2025-05-19T02:03:36Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote](#): > > Still relying on the same predictable mechanics If it was predictable, then why do so many get ganked? Looks like it would be easily avoidable… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/7 "2025-05-19T02:11:54Z")
The real victim of ganking is the numbers. New players are led to believe that they can go anywhere and do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/8 "2025-05-19T02:12:40Z")
“Actual” piracy would be a breath of fresh air, but I have to wonder if the ganking community would embrace bonafide piracy/looting in lieu of giving up those juicy killmails for ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/9 "2025-05-19T02:34:36Z")
Calm down miners. We decide what ‘bonafide’ piracy is. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/10 "2025-05-19T03:06:45Z")
How come I never got ganked? 🤔 I used to fly through a sys with Arrggg (spelling) in it and bust his butt for not being red. Just make a small effort and you should be ok. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/11 "2025-05-19T03:15:48Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > How come I never got ganked? You haven’t undocked in years. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/12 "2025-05-19T03:39:02Z")
🍿🍺 \>\>\>\>\> ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/13 "2025-05-19T03:41:19Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote](#): > > Let ganking evolve into piracy. Pirates already exist. I hear they had a lovely time in Bei a few weeks ago and were running rough shod over Gallente High Sec at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/14 "2025-05-19T03:45:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You haven’t undocked in years. Sorry, I’m too busy selling drugs inside jita 4.4. No time to undock. I’m a Gallente. It’s in my genes. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/15 "2025-05-19T04:49:22Z")
“These people are choosing to do something boring, monotonous and repetitive. How could CCP do this to them?” ---
**Author:** ![Skjer\_Artrald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skjer_artrald/32/462498_2.png) [@Skjer\_Artrald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skjer_Artrald)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/16 "2025-05-19T05:14:52Z")
This, the real victims here are the innocent bystanders who have to read all this crap ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/17 "2025-05-19T05:33:02Z")
What is bonafide piracy - why is destroying a ship the only option for pirating? If we had weapons (or at least ammunition) that could disable a ship and render it apt for plundering (generating a suspect flag) - wouldn’t that be an interesting twist? Disable transports outside ports and attempt to plunder them before any white knights intervene… disable miners in a belt and steal ore from their holds… disable combat vessels and steal ammunition and loot after you knock them out. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/18 "2025-05-19T07:21:52Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote](#): > > - Fly a cheap suicide ship. > - Kill a defenseless target. > - Die to CONCORD (as planned). > - Repeat forever. If you believe that this is the only thing that gankers do, then you don’t know anything. This is just end phase of a sometimes very long chase or search. It is also missing CONCORD spawning and pulling. (The most annoying mechanic in EVE that only gankers suffers with,) And looting and getting away with the loot. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/19 "2025-05-19T07:29:49Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > If you believe that this is the only thing that gankers do they think maintaining and maneuvering 10 Omega alts for a successful Gank is easy. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/20 "2025-05-19T08:05:42Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > If we had weapons (or at least ammunition) that could disable a ship and render it apt for plundering (generating a suspect flag) - wouldn’t that be an interesting twist? They won’t get a killmail for it, that’s why they won’t go for that. Their sensitive egos are tied to those killmails for existence. No killmails — no feelings of superiority and they’ll just fall apart and see they’re made of the same stuff those miners are. But having said that, it’s probably not all that viable an option in terms of game play, since when you kill a ship you will already get some of their cargo/fit anyway (and during some events you get 100% loot). [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618.md?page=2)