# The Real Victim of Ganking? The Ganker **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 19, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618 "2025-05-19T01:48:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/42 "2025-05-19T13:30:11Z")
I still see it being employed against miners. Some people use it to intimidate people into buying mining permits or seem to really enjoy seeing how far they can punt barges by ramming them with hopped up stabbers. It might be fun to be so annoying to people that they pay you to leave them alone. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/43 "2025-05-19T13:31:11Z")
in that case it’s more they are annoyed of the warp out and warp back then actualy intimidation ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/44 "2025-05-19T13:32:53Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > “care bears” when their Hight Sec system Real Highsec players already adapted with suicide Ganking mechanics. Those cats doesn’t drop on you with its blasters range magically. The whiners are coming from Nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/46 "2025-05-19T13:36:38Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > Real Highsec players already adapted with suicide Ganking mechanics. Those cats doesn’t drop on you with its blasters range magically. The whiners are coming from Nullsec. I think you are largely correct with this. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote/32/444813_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/47 "2025-05-19T13:40:31Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > It might be fun to be so annoying to people that they pay you to leave them alone. The statement — _“It might be fun to be so annoying to people that they pay you to leave them alone.”_ — suggests a mindset driven by **manipulation, provocation, and attention-seeking**. It could be consistent with traits found in the following personality disorders: * * * ### 1. **Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)** - **Key traits** : Disregard for others’ rights, deceitfulness, impulsivity, manipulativeness, lack of remorse. - **Why it fits** : Deliberately being annoying to provoke others and gain money shows exploitation and a lack of empathy — hallmarks of ASPD. * * * ### 2. **Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)** - **Key traits** : Grandiosity, need for admiration, sense of entitlement, exploitation of others. - **Why it fits** : The idea of people paying _you_ just to go away might feed into a narcissist’s belief that they’re important enough to provoke that kind of reaction. * * * ### 3. **Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD)** - **Key traits** : Excessive attention-seeking, superficial emotions, dramatic behavior. - **Why it fits** : Someone with HPD might see this tactic as a way to command attention, even through negative means. * * * ### 4. **Sadistic Personality Traits** (not an official DSM diagnosis, but sometimes discussed) - **Key traits** : Enjoyment of causing discomfort, humiliation, or distress in others. - **Why it fits** : Taking pleasure in being annoying or extracting money through irritation aligns closely with sadistic tendencies. * * * ### TL;DR: The most likely match is **Antisocial Personality Disorder** , with possible overlaps into **Narcissistic** or **Histrionic** traits depending on the motive (control vs. admiration vs. attention). ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/48 "2025-05-19T13:46:33Z")
> [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](#): > > in that case it’s more they are annoyed of the warp out and warp back then actualy intimidation The “intimidation” comes not from destruction, but just being annoying and wasting the miners time, and seemingly enjoying it. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/49 "2025-05-19T13:48:10Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote](#): > > The statement — _“It might be fun to be so annoying to people that they pay you to leave them alone.”_ — suggests a mindset driven by **manipulation, provocation, and attention-seeking**. It could be consistent with traits found in the following personality disorders: Exactly! That is how bullying works. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/50 "2025-05-19T14:32:06Z")
Yes, all of the above (it’s bern previously established that EVE contains a disproportionate number of these personality types. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/51 "2025-05-19T15:35:39Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > “ganking” has been nerfed to the point where there is no room to allow it to evolve new and interesting game play without some kind of nerf to the safety of High Sec space. Every time I have seen gankers come up with an effective new idea the cry for the devs to bring out the nerf bat starts, and that inevitably stifles innovation. Can you give an example please? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/52 "2025-05-19T15:38:19Z")
> [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](#): > > bumping until pay is nerfed to be useless, all the victim has to do is to wait 180 seconds and the ship will warp off That’s because permanent bumping was an exploit. It doesn’t generate a suspect flag when it clearly should. It had to be nerfed. Hell, change it back but make it generate a suspect flag. I’m good with that. I’ll pop your ship with my drones. ---
**Author:** ![Im\_in\_Space](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/im_in_space/32/460361_2.png) [@Im\_in\_Space](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Im_in_Space)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/53 "2025-05-19T15:58:01Z")
I always just assumed most suicide gankers were just alts of bored nullsec miners. A lil fun to pass the time that also in a round about way whittles at competition. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/54 "2025-05-19T17:45:25Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Can you give an example please? Not allowing alpha accounts to go red, as an example. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/55 "2025-05-19T17:46:39Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > That’s because permanent bumping was an exploit. It doesn’t generate a suspect flag when it clearly should. It had to be nerfed. Hell, change it back but make it generate a suspect flag. I’m good with that. I’ll pop your ship with my drones. You give yourself another example. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/56 "2025-05-19T18:28:12Z")
Free? One person creating ten free accounts to interfere with the games of players with paid subscriptions? You don’t know that this isn’t a free game? CCP likes to make money. This game isn’t free to run. That isn’t a nerf to PvP. You can still create ten accounts. You just have to shell out the cash. PvP still exists. Free accounts don’t deserve special favors. They’re trial accounts only. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/57 "2025-05-19T18:50:18Z")
You asked for an example. I gave you two examples so far. Not allowing free accounts to go red prevents them from attacking people. Preventing someone from doing something is a pretty big nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/58 "2025-05-19T18:51:56Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Not allowing free accounts to go red prevents them from attacking people. Preventing someone from doing something is a pretty big nerf. That isn’t a nerf to PvP. You can still create ten accounts. You just have to shell out the cash. PvP still exists. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/59 "2025-05-19T19:02:07Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > That isn’t a nerf to PvP. You can still create ten accounts. You just have to shell out the cash. PvP still exists. The term “nerf” doesn’t not mean that it is prevented, only that it is less effective or limited. The fact ganking is still possible does not mean that it has not been nerfed. Forcing someone to pay money for something that was once free is absolutely a nerf to it. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/60 "2025-05-19T19:18:54Z")
They nerfed alpha. They did not nerf PvP. They nerfed the trial account because it doesn’t deserve special favors. Otherwise, I should be able to have 10 Lokis on an Alpha account to defend against all the free PvP destroyers trying to blow up my Omega ship. See the problem here? Free accounts don’t deserve PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/61 "2025-05-19T19:21:03Z")
You can still gank with an alpha using smartbombs. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-real-victim-of-ganking-the-ganker/486618/62 "2025-05-19T19:22:11Z")
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