# The reason the last big war really ended **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [August 13, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514 "2022-08-13T19:59:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/21 "2022-08-15T11:47:39Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > For bubble mechanics you only have to clip a bubble with a smart bomb to deal damage to it, You have to hit the center structure of the bubble, not just the warp disruption sphere. Have fun slowboating 20-40 km in tidi while you get murdered by hundreds of capitals, subs and titans. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > If everything lags for only 1 minute its fine as the bubbles will be mostly dead by then and the lag would stop when the bubbles are all dead, lets call the lag the defenders fault for placing the bubbles in the first place so they will have to just deal with it or not bubble in the first place. That’s not how the game works, and that is also not how a bubble crapped grid is setup. T2 large bubbles have a 40 km radius. You can put them 30km away from the gate and cover the spawn sphere out of range of smartbombs. Plus, you again ignore the fact that your 200 BS or even 30 BS will not load. That game is already at capacity. You are trying to squeeze even more people into a maxed out system that’s already under tidi. Your Sisi tests are nothing but pointless eyewash that have nothing at all to do with reality. ---
**Author:** ![Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ancantes_auge_dunier/32/323591_2.png) [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ancantes_Auge_Dunier)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/22 "2022-08-15T13:17:25Z")
Nothing preventing you from forming 24 hours early get thru undefended gate and safe log out in system. Everything you cry about can be solved by more efford you are trying literary destroy peoples homes and cry its to much work. Well do the work and youwill win easi if your members are not up the task then get your leadership to work… ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/23 "2022-08-15T13:37:27Z")
> [@Entranced](#): > > I think CCP is just as likely to see this post as a post on R Eve, a slim chance but just as likely. Actually CCP uses these official forums as a dumping ground for criticism and complainers so their points mostly don’t get seen by anybody. I believe Shipwreck’s advice is correct, the actual people who use, abuse, and lose due to these mechanics are on reddit. Also, actual CCP devs who deal with these things read more and are more active on reddit than here. Nothing wrong with posting it here but you’re basically just doing ‘message in a bottle, hope somebody reads it’ on these forums. Your points sound detailed and interesting, however I’m not familiar enough with Nullsov and Nullwar mechanics to evaluate them properly. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/24 "2022-08-15T19:23:04Z")
The forums are eternal, a reddit post gets down voted a few times and never gets seen again. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/25 "2022-08-15T20:00:06Z")
Until the developers shut it down. Which happened so many times in some many other games… ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/26 "2022-08-15T20:01:48Z")
🤣 Shh a Sunk Cost Fallacy Adict’s worst nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![Kipao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kipao/32/301137_2.png) [@Kipao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kipao)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/27 "2022-08-15T21:39:30Z")
If someone attacked your core systems your leadership would use the same tactics. Hasn’t the home team had an advantage in every struggle throughout history. Sounds to me like you’re complaining it wasn’t easy and you couldn’t break through in 2 weeks so the game is broken. Switch tactics if its not working. I tried 3 times so the game is broken seems to be a poor excuse for losing. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/28 "2022-08-15T21:47:27Z")
> **[Battle of Thermopylae](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae)** > > The Battle of Thermopylae (/θərˈmɒpɪliː/ thər-MOP-i-lee; Greek: Μάχη τῶν Θερμοπυλῶν, Máchē tōn Thermopylōn) was fought in 480 BC between the Achaemenid Persian Empire under Xerxes I and an alliance of Greek city-states led by Sparta under Leonidas I. Lasting over the course of three days, it was one of the most prominent battles of both the second Persian invasion of Greece and the wider Greco-Persian Wars. > The engagement at Thermopylae occurred simultaneously with the Battle of Artemisium: b... 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/29 "2022-08-16T06:06:17Z")
> [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](#): > > Nothing preventing you from forming 24 hours early get thru undefended gate and safe log out in system. That doesn’t work either because you can’t log in as the system is already at capacity. You have literally the same issue. It is irrelevant whether you try to come through the gate or log off. You cannot get in because the system is already full. Plus, your baffoonery assumes that the hostiles do not form when you ping to get into system to log off. That is beyond ridiculous to assume. The gate is bubbled all the time, too, so you can’t just get in, warp off and log off. ---
**Author:** ![Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ancantes_auge_dunier/32/323591_2.png) [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ancantes_Auge_Dunier)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/30 "2022-08-16T07:28:11Z")
Then log in sooner!! If enemy outform you even in no timer then you already lost get your people in line ---
**Author:** ![Entranced](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entranced/32/274016_2.png) [@Entranced](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entranced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/31 "2022-08-17T20:36:13Z")
@Ancantes_Auge_Dunier i think the people suggesting to get there sooner don’t really understand that a entire coalition of tens of thousands of people gets down to a few systems , that means all of them are living in the system/systems they are camping ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/32 "2022-08-18T15:24:47Z")
Has anyone tried to secure the gate with lots of Smartbomb-fitted Titans to destroy everything that was sub-captials? ---
**Author:** ![Entranced](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entranced/32/274016_2.png) [@Entranced](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entranced)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/33 "2022-08-21T00:53:08Z")
@Kalodote_Lafisques Nobody brings titans to a broken camp like that, so CCP is not getting any titans to die if they allow people to make these unbreakable cyno jammed system camps. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/34 "2022-08-21T07:28:28Z")
So thats why Titans were mostly used to hotdrop ratting cruisers in lowsec, now I get it. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/35 "2022-08-21T13:42:04Z")
Isn’t nullsec? ---
**Author:** ![Onions\_and\_Peppers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onions_and_peppers/32/332621_2.png) [@Onions\_and\_Peppers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onions_and_Peppers)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/36 "2022-09-12T21:21:46Z")
I admit null wars are fun to watch but not otherwise my cup of tea, so my opinion here has little weight. That said, my outsider perspective sees it this way–Goons were pushed back to the space they had the power to actually control. Most of the alliances are probably spread thinner than they can actually support if pressured, but probably any with sovereignty have the force to hold at least a few systems no matter what. And that is ok. Wars can have many goals other than annihilation. If more really is required then, continuing to follow real world models, why shouldn’t it require tactics beyond busting down the gates? Such as jamming surrounding systems and cutting off entrances and exits for the long term? But again, full acknowledgement that I am not invested in this. I just like to watch. _puts mirrored voyeur subglasses back on and sits back down_ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-reason-the-last-big-war-really-ended/373514/37 "2022-12-11T21:22:18Z")
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