# The relist fee for changing market orders. Could it be improved this way? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 11, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782 "2020-04-11T17:40:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/41 "2020-04-13T20:42:15Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > That’s a lot of irrelevant claptrap HAHA for future reference ladies and gents this poster thinks the ideas of wholesale and retail, warehousing and shipping are “useless middlemen”. He has edited out this from the post I replied to. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/42 "2020-04-13T20:43:46Z")
> [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > thinks the ideas of **wholesale** and **retail** , **warehousing** and **shipping** are “useless middlemen”. Are you trying to refer to reality? Because I hope you realize this is the forums for EVE Online, a pixel spaceship video game. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/43 "2020-04-13T20:45:42Z")
No, the edit was a mistake; I had just accidentally initially replied in an outstanding edit. You’d have to be as dumb as you’ve been showing yourself to be to think I’d ever walk back some snark. 🙄 Those are very valuable roles in real life, but they are not so in Eve. You do understand this isn’t real life and we have video-game-rules here, right? Warehousing has a function in real life because real estate has a cost and inventory space is limited. Literally everyone in Eve has **infinite storage space**. Every last individual. Warehousing is not a “value add” here. ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/44 "2020-04-13T20:47:51Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Are you trying to refer to reality? Because I hope you realize this is the forums for EVE Online, a pixel spaceship video game. Wholesale: prices that the public don’t see where large orders are filled with lower prices because of volumes. Normally provided as a service by contract to other businesses. In context of EVE its the likely arrangement for SRP programs where ships are replaced with new ships. The alliance manufacturing wing builds doctrine ships and charges the F1 monkey 20% for the privilege of not needing a JF run. Retail: obvious, most people have had a job doing retail at some point in their lives Warehousing: citadels serve this function now. Shipping: redfrog, nullbloc JF services, blockaderunners… market hub shippers. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/45 "2020-04-13T20:48:18Z")
You’re trying to make these weird parallels to real life, but I don’t see how any of this actually helps your argument. > [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > In context of EVE its the likely arrangement for SRP programs where ships are replaced with new ships. The alliance manufacturing wing builds doctrine ships and charges the F1 monkey 20% for the privilege of not needing a JF run. This is also wrong because SRP programs vary depending on the alliance. ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/46 "2020-04-13T20:50:30Z")
Your trolling is weak but I respond one last time. Citadel ownership provides for services that I can charge a levy for. I provide storage space in systems of interest and a place for pilots to sell things and repair their stuff in. The only real work I do is keep the citadel fueled. Am I a useless middleman? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/47 "2020-04-13T20:51:31Z")
I don’t know if you’re useless but you are _holy ■■■■_ off topic. I had a weird mental note that you’re not usually an idiot but I guess I’ll revise that. Any chance you could get back into at least the general zipcode of relevancy, which is the cost of relisting and _brokerage_ service? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/48 "2020-04-13T20:52:15Z")
> [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > Citadel ownership provides for services that I can charge a levy for. **I provide storage space** in systems of interest and a place for pilots to sell things and repair their stuff in. You charge people to use your Citadel as a “warehouse”? And people actually pay you? If you were able to dupe people to pay you to use your Citadel as a “warehouse”, then I’m impressed you were able to find morons that dumb. I wouldn’t trust some random kid and his own personal citadel to warehouse anything. If I have goods of value worth warehousing, they’ll either be in Jita (an NPC station) or a structure that I personally control. Using your citadel would be adding a useless middleman AND a huge risk factor because I cannot control you. > [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > Am I a useless middleman? I’d still say yes. ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/49 "2020-04-13T20:58:00Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > I wouldn’t trust some random kid and his own personal citadel to warehouse anything. If I have goods of value worth warehousing, they’ll either be in Jita (an NPC station) or a structure that I personally control. Using your citadel would be adding a useless middleman AND a huge risk factor because I cannot control you. Our citadels we had out in curse for over 2 years were used as staging platforms for several pushes in to the area by other alliances. A little bird told me even TEST liked having them there because they were freeports which meant they could stop over if they needed to. We didn’t discriminate, people bought our overpriced t2 sovwands and our rigs. Made us happy. Useless middleman indeed. I’m done with you now. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/50 "2020-04-13T20:59:15Z")
> [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > A little bird told me even TEST liked having them there because they were freeports which meant they could stop over if they needed to. Did you charge them for that privilege? > [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > Citadel ownership provides for services that I can charge a levy for. ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/51 "2020-04-19T07:48:32Z")
So after upgrading back to omega to test the difference, the relist fees become nearly negligible for most orders I have except for the expensive stuff like marauders. But its pretty telling that I have to spend some 30 odd days training skills just to get back to the performance level I had as a base. Its quite annoying. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/52 "2020-04-21T15:00:47Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Congratulations, you are learning the grey area of uncertainty that separates good traders from bad traders. 🙂 The thing is that they don’t want to learn how to operate in grey area. They just want to easily trade - after all if 0.01 isk into oblivion you don’t have to think about what prices you should be setting. Here is another example: > [@A change to buy/sell duration tax?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-change-to-buy-sell-duration-tax/234256/): > > This may be a terrible suggestion but I noticed what is a problem (to me at-least) in the new broker fee trade system. To those who do a lot of buy/selling and engage in all the little tricks and tactics maybe you have felt the same thing. When a person puts up a buy order for example, the default is to put up for the longest duration of 3 month coz why not?. This wasn’t really an issue back in the .1 isk days but now I feel it is. If a person puts up a buy order that is at such a margin that n… ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/53 "2020-04-21T16:11:55Z")
The relist fee has nothing to do with 0.01 isking since the 4 digit rule already eliminates 0.01 isking. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/54 "2020-04-21T16:14:40Z")
0.0000001 or 1 tick is all the same. Only difference is that 1 tick is more significant on positions of higher value. ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/55 "2020-04-21T16:25:33Z")
Yes and that means there is no longer a problem since the price moves just fine to its equilibrium and everyone has to use their brain to judge if the equilibrium price is worth it. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/56 "2020-04-21T16:32:54Z")
No. Tick has nothing to do with that - you have to use your brain because of relisting fee. W/o relisting fee there would be no practical effect. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/57 "2020-04-21T16:48:10Z")
> [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > Warehousing: citadels serve this function now. Why pay for it when you already have infinite storage for free in an NPC Station? Risk Free, even… –Gadget reserves risk for other things ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/58 "2020-04-21T17:54:18Z")
That’s a fine theory with all those NPC stations in your sov null. ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/59 "2020-04-22T14:52:54Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > No. Tick has nothing to do with that - you have to use your brain because of relisting fee. W/o relisting fee there would be no practical effect. Except the practical effect I just mentioned. How is relisting going to be a problem when every price difference is significant. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782/60 "2020-04-22T15:02:46Z")
> [@Marek\_Kanenald](#): > > Except the practical effect I just mentioned. How is relisting going to be a problem when every price difference is significant. ‘significant’ - not even 1/10000 (one ten thousandth) of price. You would need between 100-999 relists to make the price change by 1%. No, tick is insignificant - just cleans up prices and makes price tag scams much more difficult if not impossible. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-relist-fee-for-changing-market-orders-could-it-be-improved-this-way/231782.md?page=4)