# The Rise and Fall in Bitcoin Value **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 18, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290 "2022-01-18T13:41:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2511 "2022-12-13T12:08:14Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > the last BTC will be mined around 2140 > [@Aaron](#): > > this fact Its not a fact. Its just a future prediction. You cant prove anything happening in future because it yet not happened. Facts are known, future is unknown. > [@Aaron](#): > > For BTC usage to get to billions it may take 20 to 50 years, so those investing now should seriously think about this. They should also seriously think about what will the future hold for them. For investing you need savings first. We dont know if people have savings in future, as debt may be what will eat it all. Governments have already been doing things like confiscation of peoples savings. If you put savings now in BTC and it will be not a way to pay for anything, they dont even have to confiscate it… This is ugly truth that all people are massively in debt in developed countries. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2512 "2022-12-13T12:20:44Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Its not a fact. Its just a future prediction. You cant prove anything happening in future because it yet not happened. Facts are known, future is unknown. Hey, what I meant to say was based on the current level of mining and difficulty it is predicted that the last one will be mined around 2140, > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > If you put savings now in BTC and it will be not a way to pay for anything, they dont even have to confiscate it… I’m unsure if a crypto exchange will even exist in the future. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Governments have already been doing things like confiscation of peoples savings. If financial systems crash in the UK, we are only guaranteed £85,000 so if one owns more cash than that in banks it could literally disappear. Is it even safe to keep your wealth as fiat in a bank? It might be better to own land/buildings rather than crypto or fiat. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2513 "2022-12-13T12:39:14Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > It might be better to own land Land and people. So basically investing in a family that grows everything themselves should be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2514 "2022-12-13T14:15:37Z")
I was thinking, owning the land/building then renting to the family and receiving monthly payments. Buying flats or apartments for renting might be the best investment in UK, the government here will pay 70% of the rent if one can’t afford it. So as a landlord renting to a tenant you are guaranteed an income. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2515 "2022-12-13T16:27:49Z")
The sun is not sustainable though. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2516 "2022-12-14T00:00:07Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > **The Bank is a sui generis public entity governed by the French Monetary and Financial Code.** The conditions whereby it conducts its missions on national territory are set out in its Public Service Contract. And no one every votes for the people there that make all the decisions to what happens with the money and banking system you are then basically forced to use. With the head of the organization actually being a convicted criminal from your country. Again, they could do whatever the ■■■■ they want if it is just one option among others. Feel free to use that crap, I don’t care. I just want my freedom to not have to use it and use something else instead. > [@Aedaxus](#): > > Whatever nonsense you are pouting here, it’s funny blatent lies. It’s funny seeing you wrangle so hard with the obvious truth you can even check yourself that you still have the reflex to call me a liar. lol > [@Aedaxus](#): > > You should stop lying. You aren’t good at it. That’s why I’m not doing it, and if I get something wrong it’s not on purpose and I will own it. Which is something you would never do, as it’s just about winning an internet argument for you and not an exercise to challenge your views, which it kinda is for me, so feel free to continue throwing ■■■■ at me, though I would prefer if you put in some more effort, it’s getting rather stale. > [@Aedaxus](#): > > You need it more than me. The walls are closing in on the scam… And then you post a random article about a politician somewhere who is “crypto-firendly”. Holly ■■■■ man, you have to be desperate. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > For investing you need savings first. We dont know if people have savings in future, as debt may be what will eat it all. If only there was money that is not dept-based… > [@Xeux](#): > > The sun is not sustainable though. There are like a couple other suns should it run out ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2517 "2022-12-14T00:07:37Z")
I hear that the lizard people control the other suns though, and they won’t let us use them. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2518 "2022-12-14T06:48:55Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > If only there was money that is not dept-based… I can make some. You and others can accept it, and then we make new financial system. I will be holding the printer above my head so everyone around can catch the falling money. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2519 "2022-12-14T11:33:32Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > And no one every votes for the people there that make all the decisions Which people that “make all the decisions” are not elected, directly or not ? > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I just want my freedom to not have to use it and use something else instead. I also want my freedom to not obey my country’s law while everybody else must. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2520 "2022-12-14T12:06:20Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Which people that “make all the decisions” are not elected, directly or not ? Try to read the previous posts if you don’t understand the context of what I said to the other poster. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > I also want my freedom to not obey my country’s law while everybody else must. Yeah you seem like that kind of person ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2521 "2022-12-14T12:07:06Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > I hear that the lizard people control the other suns though, and they won’t let us use them. They just want to make you think that. In reality they just control our sun ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2522 "2022-12-14T12:22:58Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Try to read the previous posts if you don’t understand the context of what I said to the other poster. Try to read the question to answer it. Otherwise, your answer is “nobody” and your post is again crap. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Yeah you seem like that kind of person and you ARE that person. The person claiming that you should be able to avoid law by making your personal information not accessible by justice. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2523 "2022-12-14T13:21:34Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > The person claiming that you should be able to avoid law by making your personal information not accessible by justice. Go ahead and waste your energy, people will start to use BTC, people will make effort to understand it, governments will create laws in relation to crypto, you simply can’t dictate what future generations will want/need in regards to a currency/transfer of value. Nobody cares what you think, they are more than capable of determining if crypto is something that will be useful to society. Crypto is not the crime ridden entity you think it is as factually many people get caught using crypto for their crimes. Ignore all of these facts if you will but don’t expect everyone to join your ignorant delusion. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2524 "2022-12-14T13:25:09Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Go ahead and waste your energy You do you. > [@Aaron](#): > > you simply can’t dictate what future generations will want/need Yes. I can still say what this guy actually want NOW. > [@Aaron](#): > > Nobody cares what you think Again the man who can talk in the name of the whole world. What a failure you are. > [@Aaron](#): > > Crypto is not the crime ridden entity you think it is as factually many people get caught using crypto for their crimes non sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2525 "2022-12-14T13:32:31Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > non sequitur. Of course it is to you because you have a narrative, You’ve implied crypto is for people who want to circumvent laws then when you see people who do that caught and imprisoned your silly argument then becomes invalid, so you’ll try to pretend these facts are not the progression of the convo when they blatantly are. I guess the criminals are much like you in that respect, they will carry on believing they can do dangerous crime with crypto and never get caught. One question though, Who exactly are you trying to fool? Yourself? Your convo’s would be better if you just accepted proven fact and based your views on it. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2526 "2022-12-14T14:32:02Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Otherwise, your answer is “nobody” and your post is again crap. If you are too lazy to go look at the context of the discussion then don’t attempt to join it. I bet you have nothing intelligent to add to it anyway > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > and you ARE that person. > > The person claiming that you should be able to avoid law by making your personal information not accessible by justice. I’m sure you are the type of person who basically begs them to shove a camera up your ass, lol. Some people get a kick out of that I guess. The right to privacy **IS** the law ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2527 "2022-12-14T15:01:16Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/9/7/39760728bb01621f71ad70fadac0c7280e63e622.jpeg "SBF Arrested + FTX Congress Hearing Recap | Crypto Gets Grilled") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OVS302kGNk) LOL, the lawmakers in the US aren’t even bothered to develop an understanding of what crypto is. Check what he lawmakers are saying. These are publicly elected figures in the US. It’s fitting that it is actually the ledgers featured on blockchains that will help to convict SBF. So the same tech they are trying to ignore and ban can actually help them do their job to an extremely high standard. Wow, I assumed folks in the US government would at least have basic idea what crypto is, but many of them have no clue as seen first hand in this video. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2528 "2022-12-14T16:27:43Z")
Obviously understanding what crypto is, isnt needed to scam people or accuse someone of scamming others. Same as people didnt understand snake oil. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2529 "2022-12-14T16:54:07Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I just want my freedom to not have to use it and use something else instead. Sure, why not. Monopoly money is money too. And if you need to make sure the justice department cannot find out what you do with your (or other’s) money then that your issue too. Trying to make it look legal is hilarious. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > And then you post a random article about a politician somewhere Just to show those who represent the crypto have a reason to do it, because they need “privacy”. Nice buzzwords. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2530 "2022-12-14T17:08:11Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > So the same tech they are trying to ignore and ban can actually help them do their job to an extremely high standard. Ignore? They are making a CBDC just like you and Karak told them to do. BTC will NOT be used as a CBDC nor as a reserve currency. I keep on referring to reality whil you guys keeps talking about dreams and how the world will be. But it won’t as since you guys claimed things, the exact opposite is being voted in. You can keep on saying the opposite and you can be angry as your scheme is failing, but you just assumed you’d be running the economy. Well, we’ll see kids. We’ll see. Maybe the entire wold governments will all change their idea and the REASONS BEHIND it. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-13/visa-to-test-central-bank-digital-currencies-with-cards-wallets](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-13/visa-to-test-central-bank-digital-currencies-with-cards-wallets) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=123) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=125)