# The Rise and Fall in Bitcoin Value **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 18, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290 "2022-01-18T13:41:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/121 "2022-02-04T18:29:31Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > If you want to actually learn about what value Bitcoin has for society go watch this: [Alex Gladstein: Bitcoin, Authoritarianism, and Human Rights | Lex Fridman Podcast #231 - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSbMU5CbFM0) I added this to things to read, thanks. I believe your evaluation of me is a little off, but then I have been flaming the situation a bit much. Let’s try and get this on tracks and about the impact of Bitcoin again. ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/122 "2022-02-04T18:29:59Z")
I guess you don’t know about the radioactive waste and long half life. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/123 "2022-02-04T18:30:02Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > If you are a human, windmills are fine for you, just don’t be a bird though… Birds will have to HTFU and adapt. Also Windparks have a pretty nice use case for mining, because they often have to shut down production if there is wind but no consumer or storage capacity. This hurts profitability. Bitcoin mining can increase the competitiveness of renewables in those cases, because it’s effectively a sink for waste energy. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/124 "2022-02-04T18:31:11Z")
The birds work for the bourgeoisie. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/125 "2022-02-04T18:32:39Z")
> [@Arumi\_Liz](#): > > I guess you don’t know about the radioactive waste and long half life. Yeah, Half-Life 3 is taking quite long. 😛 But the half-life of “the raw product” doesn’t mean radiated particles in the dust are significant enough to be considered dangerous -in my opinion- and science is still busy researching the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/126 "2022-02-04T18:34:18Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The birds work for the bourgeoisie. Birds are entitled to fly where they want to and poop on what they want. I can see where you draw the comparison. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/127 "2022-02-04T18:35:21Z")
If we found a way to make use of the waste in such a way that eliminated the dangers of the material whilst producing waste that’s not as dangerous, it’d be fine imo ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/128 "2022-02-04T18:35:48Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Birds will have to HTFU and adapt. Real life isn’t EVE Online. Those birds should not be ganked by evil windmills! Birds like nuclear power more! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/129 "2022-02-04T18:37:22Z")
Are you saying that nuke power is more eco friendly than green wind mills? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/130 "2022-02-04T18:38:13Z")
We are supposed to oppose every possible solution with equal enthusiasm. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/131 "2022-02-04T18:39:14Z")
If you want we can paint the nuclear reactors green, with lead paint as it would even reduce the radiation slightly. But Nuclear energy comes close to wind mills in ecologycally certainly if we take into account the size (square meters) required per megawatt. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/132 "2022-02-04T18:40:06Z")
Thought radiation glows green in the dark already. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/133 "2022-02-04T18:43:08Z")
We can’t paint them green. It’d be a threat to national security since anyone can simply use google maps to locate critical infrastructure easily. They have to camouflage with the floor from above. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/134 "2022-02-04T18:44:06Z")
Inside the reactor there is a faint blue glow [Cherenkov radiation - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation) You can find green/yellow glowing items that contained uranium but due to health risks aren’t allowed anymore. [Radioactivity in Antiques | US EPA](https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactivity-antiques) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/135 "2022-02-04T18:53:26Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > You mean the wolves that were almost exterminated that are back now? The nature and specially wildlife in the Chernobyl park would argue against your “environment” definition Dude, we still can’t eat certain mushrooms from the forest in central Europe because they accumulate contaminated particles from the air and the soil that date back to Chernobyl. And apart from the risks those reactors pose, wait until they start to shutdown old reactors and you get finally a picture about how expensive that energy really was. Because it turns out the money that was supposed to be included in the energy cost to get rid of the waste, shutdown the reactor, get rid of the radiated parts and make the land usable… well it’s nowhere to be found. And the people who promised it’s all fine 60 years ago, they are all dead, probably took the money with them or something. And now the companies that run this reactors they just split the company into two parts, one with the stuff that is still profitable and one that owns the old reactor and then they just let it default. Now we pay it, again. At least in my country there will never be new reactors. The cat is out of the bag now. I mean I’m sorry for the birds, but renewables are the only way to go, and nuclear isn’t renewable. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/136 "2022-02-05T22:15:29Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > renewables are the only way to go The nuclear will be pretty good for many years in future, as you could use thorium also. We can live a good comfortable human lifes for many years without mass sacrifices to the CO2 limits. Guess who will not resign from all the power nuclear gives? People. People need power. People will need MORE power. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/137 "2022-02-05T22:26:08Z")
I think you would be disappointed in how much useful fissionable material there is on planet Earth. Sorry, but nuclear isn’t going to make much of a dent in CO2 -ESPECIALLY if you start building new nuclear power plants and have to include their up-front carbon footprint. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/138 "2022-02-05T22:51:32Z")
they are exactly the same as petrol plants. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/139 "2022-02-05T23:45:21Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > I think you would be disappointed in how much useful fissionable material there is on planet Earth. > **[Nuclear fuel will last us for 4 billion years](https://whatisnuclear.com/nuclear-sustainability.html)** > > Some people claim nuclear fuel is inexhaustible and circular, others say we'll run out soon. We do the math. Turns out, it's roughly as inexhaustible as sunlight. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/140 "2022-02-06T00:44:45Z")
If we are going to talk about undiscovered technologies, why only talk about breeder reactors running on uranium from seawater? Why not just invent fusion reactors? Better yet, just build a Dyson sphere. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=8)