# The Rise and Fall in Bitcoin Value **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 18, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290 "2022-01-18T13:41:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1548 "2022-08-22T17:41:49Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > It’s funny how you act all outraged because Aaron said you are probably the scammer, and call for the mods. PROBABLY? No, he did not say that. You now claim that, falsely. But nice to see you are associating with his actions. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1549 "2022-08-22T17:45:19Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > Yes, they mislead people to gain money from it, it’s called fraud or scamming. So, we’re agreed then, people scam others not Bitcoin. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1550 "2022-08-22T17:45:23Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > It’s funny how you act all outraged I did not accuse you of being any of the bad people that are leading the promotion of BTC. I did say you are like the salesperson for a radar detection device. You promote BTC, you don’t care what people do with it. That isn’t a crime. There is a clear line and you’ll do the same if I would have said you were doing criminal stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1551 "2022-08-22T17:47:37Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > I did not accuse you of being any of the bad people that are leading the promotion of BTC. I did say you are like the salesperson for a radar detection device. You promote BTC, you don’t care what people do with it. That isn’t a crime. There is a clear line and you’ll do the same if I would have said you were doing criminal stuff. Lol, why are you so sensitive? Is it because we are not immediately accepting your points and opinions as gospel? Are you annoyed that we have our own minds and we are perfectly capable of finding out if something is a scam or not without you? ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1552 "2022-08-22T17:48:56Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > So, we’re agreed then, people scam others not Bitcoin. I don’t think “Bitcoin” will come to talk to me on how and when I need to buy it so someone else like Michael Saylor can sell his coins. But with AI advancing rapidly, I’ll better be careful in what I answer. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1553 "2022-08-22T17:50:42Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Lol, why are you so sensitive? Is it because we are not immediately accepting your points and opinions as gospel? Are you annoyed that we have our own minds and we are perfectly capable of finding out if something is a scam or not without you? No, because you clearly stated that I am a scammer. Scamming is a crime and I reported this. This is important, imagine if I’m scamming people on the EVE Online forum and thousands of victims make a class action lawsuit to CCP because of it? Bye Bye EVE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1554 "2022-08-22T17:52:12Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > No, because you clearly stated that I am a scammer. So far you’ve said I support corrupt governments, crooks, criminals, cartels, extremists. I’m not crying am I, HTFU. I called you a scammer troll, such a person gets a kick out of feeding falsehoods to others, not taking their money. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1555 "2022-08-22T17:53:56Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > you’ve said I support corrupt governments, crooks, criminals, cartels, extremists. I’m not crying am I, HTFU. Verbally supporting Epstein is not even a crime. Verbally trying to scam someone is. Learn the difference, one day it will save you legal fees. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1556 "2022-08-22T17:55:05Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > Verbally supporting Epstein is not even a crime. > Verbally trying to scam someone is. > > Learn the difference, one day it will save you legal fees. But trying to get people to believe something is a scam when it’s not is wrong. what you’re doing is slander which could get you in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1557 "2022-08-22T17:57:43Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > But trying to get people to believe something is a scam when it’s not is wrong. I linked the definition above, you can read. OK? It is not about wrong or right or opinion. You clearly and emphasized with “If anything” said I am scamming. So I guess CCP will now ask you to send them the proof you have about my criminal actions. If not, what are you doing? ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1558 "2022-08-22T17:59:32Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > what you’re doing is slander Another accusation? Any proof? I hope so. It’s only a civil claim so I will not go to jail for this one. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1559 "2022-08-22T18:02:00Z")
No an observation, based on what you’ve typed. At some point you’re just going to have to learn how Bitcoin and associated topics go and then accept the facts. You’ll only stress yourself out trying to say something is a scam when it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1560 "2022-08-22T18:03:51Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > You’ll only stress yourself out trying to say something is a scam when it’s not. Did you read the article I linked? > **[Bitcoin is the greatest scam in history](https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value)** > > It’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1561 "2022-08-22T18:04:10Z")
No I did not. I’ve been paid BTC for a while now. I know how it is created and I know who buys and sells it. 1, A series of computers mine for new bitcoins with the successful computer being awarded the new BTC 2, A crypto exchange (FINANCED BY BIG MONEY BOYS) will buy any mined BTC directly from miners. 3, Investors or BTC users will buy BTC from the crypto exchange and use it for a subsequent transaction or they will keep it in their own wallet (cold wallet for long term storage) or they will give it to a BTC investment firm or they will keep it in a wallet provided by the crypto exchange. This is an accurate general summary of how it works, can you please show me where the scam is in this process or show me who exactly is getting scammed? As far as I can see everyone in the BTC chain is affected if the value is low, so again I’m having trouble seeing where the scam is. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1562 "2022-08-22T18:04:54Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/c/2/7c248767750fb3e44c48f9b3d815a218033f6eb3.jpeg "The Wolf of Wall Street says Bitcoin is a scam… and he should know") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HsTWRTEgA) ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1563 "2022-08-22T18:06:43Z")
Ok, you don’t need to read what anyone says about Bitcoin. But claiming that you know it’s not a scam because you will not read or hear about anything negative about it is ok. But beware as it’s been manipulated by lots of people. Remember when Elon Musk got in trouble when tweeting about crypto to make it go up and down? ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1564 "2022-08-22T18:08:01Z")
Anyways, I will stop posting until we have a verdict about the criminal and civil cases you have against me. I do not dislike you, but it’s quite an issue for me being accused of crimes I did not commit. Now I’ll go an see if I still have anything on probation. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1565 "2022-08-22T18:15:39Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > But beware as it’s been manipulated by lots of people. Remember when Elon Musk got in trouble when tweeting about crypto to make it go up and down? This is one point you will get my full agreement on. But again I will point out it is people who seem to cause problems not the raw untouched BTC. This is partly why I have a tin foil hat on. When you talk fact you get my agreement, simple as. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1566 "2022-08-22T19:08:51Z")
Well, have you ever though, maybe BTC was made by bankers for people to shut up about them. They have the money anyway. You may have BTC, but you will buy it and sell with $. No more occupy wall street… Ordinary people losing fortunes in front of their phones, watching red candles, nobody cares. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1567 "2022-08-22T20:51:16Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > But beware as it’s been manipulated by lots of people. Remember when Elon Musk got in trouble when tweeting about crypto to make it go up and down? This is what actually happened: ![■■■■_elon](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/a/2/7a285154a0cd9dd2b19f337c095f0ffce4f580e9.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=77) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=79)