# The Rise and Fall in Bitcoin Value **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 18, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290 "2022-01-18T13:41:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1985 "2022-11-25T12:28:51Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I honestly have no idea how people in the UK are going to maintain How to solve problem of hunger and homelessness at the same time? Let the hungry eat the homeless. I honestly dont care what they do. I have no power over people in some other country. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1986 "2022-11-25T12:31:38Z")
Whatever, I just wanted to show you what happens when fiat money loses value, losing a few pence value is disastrous for some. You seem to think only crypto and BTC losing value is the problem, it’s really not. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1987 "2022-11-25T12:35:13Z")
Didnt occured to you something important? You can have limited supply of money and still be hungry and homeless. Because money is not everything. If the resources are going to not be sufficient, the price will be going up for everything too. But maybe people dont need so much anyway… Remember times when all you need was a skin of the animal you ate, and some branches with sharp stones attached to them? ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1988 "2022-11-25T12:36:16Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > they just see how much is crypto actually worth, not nearly as much as they thought and as was promised to them by some shills. I’m just responding to this part, I don’t care for your view on homeless. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1989 "2022-11-25T12:39:39Z")
> **[Józef Stawinoga](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Stawinoga)** > > Józef Stawinoga (15 December 1920 – 28 October 2007), also known as Fred and incorrectly reported as Josef, was a homeless Polish man who lived in a tent on the Wolverhampton Ring Road in the West Midlands, England, for nearly 40 years. > Stawinoga was born on Krążkowy, near Kępno, Poland. Little is known about his early life, but he was thought to have been involved in the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, before emigrating to the UK in the 1940s. Correspondence with his nephew Roland Stawinoga, th... It will be like in old, good times. Where people like him were common sight in GB. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1990 "2022-11-25T15:05:29Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Remember times when all you need was a skin of the animal you ate, and some branches with sharp stones attached to them? The good old days! ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1991 "2022-11-25T17:23:29Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Funny that you try to change what I said. I don’t. I literally used the exact sentence you wrote : > [@Aaron](#): > > [a real bitcoiner] will just tell you the cold hard truth weather it’s good or bad. Which implies, they can’t be wrong. difference between me and you : when I say it’s a quote, I can prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1992 "2022-11-25T17:49:19Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/2/f/52f94c163fd45d1d9d61637f5e55814e97817555.jpeg) Bitcoin is not backed by anything. It doesnt have any intrinsic value. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1993 "2022-11-25T17:57:03Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Which implies, they can’t be wrong. To me it implies they are honest, don’t worry about it I notice we think in completely different ways, and I also notice you said nothing about my other points. the main point in the statement was about if people tell the truth or not, not if they are right or wrong. Your claim is that BTC is a ponzi, I pointed out salesmen who sell financial products that include BTC are never honest, in general salesmen are the least honest people. And I asked if you have ever been sold a dodgy car by a salesman. You are afraid to answer because it would prove my point that it is the manipulators causing issues with BTC and not BTC istelf. FYI a very large number of people have been sold a dodgy car where the seller didn’t give full disclosure about the cars inner workings, does this sound familiar at all to you? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1994 "2022-11-25T18:10:17Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > To me it implies they are honest That’s not fact. That’s an opinion. We were talking about facts : to tell the truth is about facts, not opinion. > [@Aaron](#): > > Your claim is that BTC is a ponzi No. I proved it. Again, the only issue is that you don’t want to accept the proof. > [@Aaron](#): > > in general salesmen are the least honest people. I believe thieves are even worse. No idea how you can accept those blanket statements. > [@Aaron](#): > > You are afraid to answer That’s opinion again - and a personal attack. Funny that you claim to be about fact when all you base your argument on, is your own dreams and delusions. Also funny that your argument is based on “if you don’t answer my personal attack then I am right”. Again, non sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1995 "2022-11-25T18:13:43Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > I believe thieves are even worse. > No idea how you can accept those blanket statements. Why are you trying to pretend dodgy salesmen don’t exist everywhere? Do you do this to try and make your false narrative seem true? Nobody has to interact with a theif, however you will encounter salesmen at some point in your life which is unavoidable. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > No. I proved it. Again, the only issue is that you don’t want to accept the proof. Just so we are crystal clear and on the same level please could you post your proof when responding to this? By proof I mean something factual which is approved by lots of people other than yourself. If you’re unable to do this what you’re saying is a claim. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That’s opinion again - and a personal attack. > Funny that you claim to be about fact when all you base your argument on, is your own dreams and delusions. > > Also funny that your argument is based on “if you don’t answer my personal attack then I am right”. Again, non sequitur. Is this your idea of a good conversation? Not bothering to answer something you are asked? Why bother typing then if no one is able to ask you questions in order to check the logic of what your saying and get an insight into the way you think? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1996 "2022-11-25T18:15:47Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Why are you trying to pretend dodgy salesmen don’t exist everywhere? That’s a plain lie. However, you pretend that salesmen are worse than thieves. “in general salesmen are the least honest people”. That’s a claim you made. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1997 "2022-11-25T18:20:01Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That’s a plain lie. Ok, I’ll try again. Have you ever in your life had an experience with a dodgy salesman/person? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1998 "2022-11-25T18:21:18Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Ok, I’ll try again. No. You are pretending I made claims I did not. Apologize for your lies. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/1999 "2022-11-25T18:21:59Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > No. You are pretending I made claims I did not. > Apologize for your lies. See, Your claims have flaws, this is the reason why you can’t answer such a simple question. Funny how I have absolutely no problem answering any question you have for me to the best of my ability. Face facts, Dodgy salespersons misled a whole lot of people into purchasing and handing over BTC. They were not honest and did not give them a true picture of what could happen. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2000 "2022-11-25T18:26:15Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > See, Your claims have flaws, this is the reason why you can’t answer such a simple question. argument from ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2001 "2022-11-25T18:26:59Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > argument from ignorance. Nope from fact, you clearly do not want to answer my question. This is not a conversation this is you trying to bully people into accepting your silly claims. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2002 "2022-11-25T18:28:07Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Nope from fact, you clearly do not want to answer my question. argument from ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2003 "2022-11-25T18:28:46Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > argument from ignorance. Lol, you realise what you type is blatantly there for all to see right? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290/2004 "2022-11-25T18:30:37Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Bearing in mind your exact statement was “BTC operates like a ponzi scheme”. I can quote you saying this if you like. still waiting for your exact quote. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=97) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-rise-and-fall-in-bitcoin-value/346290.md?page=99)