# The Road to Nerfdom: Highsec's Carebear Future **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853 "2018-10-22T09:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/63 "2018-10-23T17:42:31Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > Do you still train skills when you take a break? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/64 "2018-10-23T17:44:00Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > If it was by design concord would not nuke you for doing it? If it wasn’t by design CONCORD would not exist because the ONLY thing they do is explode suicide gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/65 "2018-10-23T17:44:40Z")
Yeah, why did they even make it possible to engage in highsec? ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/66 "2018-10-23T17:45:10Z")
I take you guys as people with to much free time on your hands and nothing better to do. I feel like if the game had much more systems added for you to go fight over you wouldnt be needing to gank carebears. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/67 "2018-10-23T17:48:10Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > I take you guys as people with to much free time on your hands and nothing better to do. This is you just being judgmental of people who play differently than you (again). > [@Sleno](#): > > I feel like if the game had much more systems added for you to go fight over you wouldnt be needing to gank carebears. No matter how fun you make other sectors of the game, I’ll still be hunting carebears in Highsec. For two reason: 1. It’s fun 2. It’s my duty under the Code and is genuinely good for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/68 "2018-10-23T17:52:38Z")
Then thats your personal opinion not mine. I could say your being judgmental of my opinions. The point of this whole thread was to argue two sides of a coin. My view is just that my view. If a way could be found to keep you guys from wanting to carebear hunting then that would be the job of CCP. If they choose to make this harder for you then their views align with a different view then yours. If they choose to make it so you cant even gank in high sec then that is what they will do regardless of what you find fun. Also i am arguing this in the matter of high sec not low sec or null sec. You still have plenty of places to go get your fill of popping people for fun. Games evolve over time to fit the need of new players. Just kinda gotta accept the way they are going with high sec isnt your view. Your argument ganking in high sec does not seem like a solid argument to halt this progression. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/69 "2018-10-23T17:55:25Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > Then thats your personal opinion not mine. I could say your being judgmental of my opinions. What are you even talking about here? > [@Sleno](#): > > You still have plenty of places to go get your fill of popping people for fun. Yeah, too bad it was designed as a ruthless competetive PVP game with no safe zones… ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/70 "2018-10-23T17:58:16Z")
Show me where it say the games high sec was designed for ruthless pvp. Show me where it says it was designed to have no safe zones. Seems like if it was designed that way high sec wouldnt even exist. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/71 "2018-10-23T18:00:24Z")
the " \* You are not safe in 1.0 security space. [CONCORD](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203208902-CONCORD) is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea." part in > [@8 Golden Rules for EVE Online](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973): > > [image] These are based on [Akita T’s Golden rules for new players](https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=588605), originally published on the old forums. Be able to afford a loss Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can’t afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit. Consent to PvP You consent to PvP when you click “undock”. You are not safe in 1.0 security space. [CONCORD](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203208902-CONCORD) is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea. In most case… maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/72 "2018-10-23T18:02:40Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > Show me where it says it was designed to have no safe zones. Slow down and step back from this for a second. Realise that we don’t have to show you where it says these things, the facts are self-evident. The fact that no safe-zone exist is the proof that it was designed that way, otherwise they wouldn’t have designed it that way? 🤨 The fact that CONCORD has a delay and even exists at all is proof that Highsec was designed to have combat in it. Otherwise, they’d just disable weapons in empire space. Try to keep some perspective on this, brother. ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/73 "2018-10-23T18:03:58Z")
Thats fair i respect you for providing a source. ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/74 "2018-10-23T18:06:57Z")
Again im saying i dont agree with high sec not being 100% secure. Its an opinion you guys decided to spin this into lets go hunt people for fun because we can and all other opinions on the topic are wrong. Just because something is apart of the rules does not mean everyone will agree with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/75 "2018-10-23T18:09:43Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > Again im saying i dont agree with high sec not being 100% secure. You can also not agree that you are incapable of flying if you jump off a building. It just really does nothing for you if you don’t accept reality. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/76 "2018-10-23T18:09:53Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > Again im saying i dont agree with high sec not being 100% secure. Its an opinion So when I point out that Highsec was clearly never designed to be safe, you call that just an opinion? You can dislike it, but if you are disagreeing with this point you are objectively wrong. It’s not an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/77 "2018-10-23T18:10:40Z")
scroll up a point was proven that it was not designed to be 100% safe. All you had to do was quote a source. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/78 "2018-10-23T18:12:45Z")
So you wanted a source to confirm what everyone already knows and can independently verify with an ibis? (The existence of CONCORD and how they work) ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/79 "2018-10-23T18:14:36Z")
i also know that CONCORD is flawed since theres way to manipulate how it work. When you debate a topic its good to quote sources. After all the whole point here was the two sides of a coin. ---
**Author:** ![Avinu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avinu/32/139740_2.png) [@Avinu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avinu)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/80 "2018-10-23T18:15:03Z")
I dont understand - in High Sec you are supersafe using t2 fits rattlesnake and paladins plus blockade runners for transport. Mining operations in High sec are obsolete for carebears - Gun Mining with Noctis/MTUs + Buying ships for NPC LP and tags. The problem is its boring and repetetive and it cost money to supply three account this way. I hope to see a change making all accounts free and expansions like DLCs for once time purchase. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/81 "2018-10-23T18:15:48Z")
> [@Sleno](#): > > When you debate a topic its good to quote sources. If someone told you the sky was blue, would you request a citation on that? ---
**Author:** ![Sleno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleno/32/185052_2.png) [@Sleno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sleno)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853/82 "2018-10-23T18:18:28Z")
Ok dude look. Obviously this is just going in circles and nothing is accomplished not even changed opinions. Have fun dude and fly safe. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-road-to-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future/114853.md?page=5)