# The sandbox has been sold out. CCP turning their game into a P2W **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 6, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985 "2020-12-06T22:04:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/22 "2020-12-06T23:45:22Z")
> [@Pikeys-CEO](#): > > Now P2W is In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, all of your Omega accounts could be deemed as having access to special items. Yeah, let’s just ignore a history where for more than a decade the only way to play Eve was to have a subscription. Omega or subscribed is, and always has been the desired state of play from the perspective of CCP. The only difference now is that you can still play the game in a deliberately limited fashion without a subscription. You can also shitpost on the forums now, unlike the old days where it was read only for the unsubscribed. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/23 "2020-12-06T23:46:57Z")
Yet Ill bet the OP would balk at the idea of Sub-Only access again. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/24 "2020-12-06T23:51:05Z")
Do you think the OP knows that their name is derogatory slang for an itinerant community? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/25 "2020-12-06T23:51:20Z")
Yes Im sure they do. ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/26 "2020-12-07T00:18:22Z")
No one is forcing you to believe one way or the other, certainly not CCP. Or did you think Pearl Abyss bought the game to lose money ? They introduced Alpha clones for a wider audience, the less hard-core fans who’d try the game and maybe subscribe if they liked that kind of PvP world. Call it a try before you buy. As far as pay2win… Whether one is the head of a capsuleers corporation or simply an explorer, what exactly is there to “win” ? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/27 "2020-12-07T00:22:01Z")
CCP: makes the game a little bit more difficult to afk Entitled carebears: wtf is this bs, game’s turning into p2w mobile cash grab chinese trash (they don’t know Pearl Abyss is Korean) i’m unsubbing my 3,000 krab accounts, and will sue you in the court for fraud and false advertising, i want a refund, you can’t take away my gameplay, it’s my property, i paid for it! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/28 "2020-12-07T00:22:46Z")
Also, someone is proving right now in a nearby thread that Skill Extractors can be pay to _lose_ lol ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/29 "2020-12-07T00:39:43Z")
If EVE was pay to win, I wouldn’t be winning. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/30 "2020-12-07T00:48:34Z")
When a bot toon can train up to cap bot status just by skill injectors, it’s pay to win… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/31 "2020-12-07T01:07:23Z")
That mic-drop was artfully done. ---
**Author:** ![Oliver\_Delorean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oliver_delorean/32/375028_2.png) [@Oliver\_Delorean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oliver_Delorean)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/32 "2020-12-07T01:12:25Z")
I have paid 8 years and i haven’t won nothing! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/33 "2020-12-07T01:18:36Z")
I paid for 12, 11 and 10 yrs. I used to win by just the fun I had. I’m just not sure when I stopped having fun? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/34 "2020-12-07T01:48:16Z")
I was in an intense 1v1 battle and it was a fierce fight to see which of us could shove quarters into our machines. i took out my pre-paid gift card and swiped it giving myself enough tank to survive his next few volleys. But my opponent took out his debit card, swiped, and I could see his ship loading the overpowered Golden Ammo. It was at this moment that I activated my trap card to reveal my Credit Card with no limits and no annual fee. I charged $5,000 to extend my ADCU’s resistance duration by 3 seconds, then I paid $8,000 to break all tackle on my ship, and another $3,000 to teleport behind my rival. I typed in local “nothing personnel kid”, and then swiped my credit card one last time for $10,000 to instantly destroy his ship and forcibly biomass his character (that’s why he can’t comment on these forums anymore). gf ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/35 "2020-12-07T01:53:33Z")
Good thing I have multiple screens so I can pay as I go quickly! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/515564_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/36 "2020-12-07T02:37:33Z")
There is a very small degree of truth in the idea that the game functions in this way and that is the truth. It’d be overly simplistic to suggest however that this automatically means that players without a pile of cash cannot survive and indeed flourish and prosper. @Thayden_Reid_Nordic (_correctly_) pointed out above, Eve is extremely complex and this means that while cash is handy, ingenuity will carry you quite a long way and your skills are a much more powerful key to survival. Like he say you can have a kick ass fighting ship armed to the teething costing billions but in reality you’re quite likely to get ganked unless you actually know how to fly and operate the thing. 🐁 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/37 "2020-12-07T02:49:38Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-sandbox-has-been-sold-out-ccp-turning-their-game-into-a-p2w/283985/38 "2020-12-07T02:50:07Z")
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