# The single charge that will FIX EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 8, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437 "2018-06-08T09:55:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/81 "2018-06-12T11:48:57Z")
But this magical **friend** will have scrams on him too. Because this “small gang” will scram both of them. So in the end the only chance for **team play** for carrier he must have more ships around than your _small gang_. And then your small gang will have nothing to do right from the start. And why you think that me and my alt (2 ships = small gang) in interceptors should have no issues to kill any solo carrier we manage to catch? Or you define **small gang** differently so 2 ships do not belong to this category? ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/82 "2018-06-12T14:55:36Z")
> [@Golemag](#): > > Thank you for opinion. I now realize that you are one of the guys who jump his titan/mothership on the cruiser that comes and looks for a fight. I mean have you looked at my killboard for evidence or are you just upset because I disagree with you? ---
**Author:** ![Seraphia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphia/32/78346_2.png) [@Seraphia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphia)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/83 "2018-06-12T17:43:35Z")
Okay, so give Jump Freighters their own kind of cyno that would be exempted just like Covert Cynos are. It would even be a great opportunity to help traders out with some of the first new content for that entire lifestyle in years, if you added a new type of Jump Freighter cyno and new mechanics for it. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/84 "2018-06-12T22:09:22Z")
> [@Golemag](#): > > Cyno is Defensive, this counters the cyno, doesn’t make it offensive, makes it counter-defensive. 🙂 Splitting hairs, the cyno is neither offensive or defensive. The fleet on the other side, although acting in defense of their comrade, is actively seeking to join the conflict they were not previously involved in - that makes it offensive 😉 (I’m just trolling at this point, I don’t expect a serious answer). > [@March\_rabbit](#): > > But this magical **friend** will have scrams on him too. Because this “small gang” will scram both of them. Carrier Pilot: HELP I’m scrammed! VNI pilot: Okay, in warp 100 off… landing… cyno up! Small gang: Oh fu– Superblob: Hi there, we heard you wanted to play. Notably, I said it would prevent lighting (not turn off) a cyno. Also noteworthy is that the carrier/rorq/whoever can light their cyno before the dude tackling them has even landed from warp… if they were cloaked, unless they’re in a bomber they have a recalibration delay that gives the carrier pilot 5 seconds to light. ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/85 "2018-06-14T11:21:58Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > I mean have you looked at my killboard for evidence or are you just upset because I disagree with you? It is not about the disagreement, it’s the points you make. For you the game in this current state is fine enough. And this for me means you have no problem jumping MS or Titan on cruisers just because you can. ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/86 "2018-06-14T11:22:54Z")
> [@Seraphia](#): > > Okay, so give Jump Freighters their own kind of cyno that would be exempted just like Covert Cynos are. It would even be a great opportunity to help traders out with some of the first new content for that entire lifestyle in years, if you added a new type of Jump Freighter cyno and new mechanics for it. I don’t really get your point. Why would we need yet another cyno when you have one already? ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/87 "2018-06-14T11:26:07Z")
I totally get your point and i like it much more then mine, however i try to stay on the ground and only force ideas that actually have a teardrop chance in hell to happen. Scramblers preventing cyno is too IMBA even in my head this is why i didn’t actually gave the support. (I like it a lot, but i know it can’t happen) ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/88 "2018-06-14T15:05:15Z")
I get that - and I’m doing my best to bow out on that particular direction. Discussion was had and ultimately, it ended up becoming a thread hijack. To me, it’s not imba though. And I say this as someone protected by a capital umbrella. Regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/89 "2018-06-14T15:14:56Z")
Meeeeeh… I wanna drop it but I just had an interesting idea. So… black ops. They’re supposed to be the wrench that somehow gets shoved up your ass to screw things up, right? What if black ops battleships could inhibit cynos with their scrams? They’ve got: - 3 bil price tags - ■■■■ tank, large sig, slow speed (aka you can apply dps to them with ease) - They’d be in scram range, which means if it’s bait, they just got themselves scrammed as well - No real value on a hot drop unless you’re very short on pilots I’d say a module like a probe launcher or a high slot “cyno inhib generator” much like a HIC bubble, but I would want to make sure that they’re close enough to really ■■■■ themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/90 "2018-06-14T19:13:08Z")
> [@Golemag](#): > > Everyone is. This is why eve lost it’s loyal player base in the last 1-2 years. Because they basically created money machine with just one goal -\> make isk -\> buy titan -\> jump titan in every fight -\> get bored -\> quit eve. Yup. I am among those players. This was not the only reason causing me to quit but cap and blob proliferation in general was a huge part of it. When I came back to the game after a 2 year break (or around there). I decided to not engage in any NS, cap, large alliance and all that sort of crap. Some of them even want you to multi box / bot for them if you wanna join. I very much agree with the OP and support everything and anything that would put a dent in this, no matter how minor. Even a very minor step in the right direction such as this is better then nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/91 "2018-06-15T08:54:09Z")
Cyno can be lit by noob ship. Why the counter measure needs to be so expensive? Dictor skills and the probe limits already make it hard. I don’t see the need to risk a blackop every time i want to prevent the bait to open cyno. Doesn’t make sense and it’s far from the idea that i had. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Lopez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_lopez/32/484486_2.png) [@Mr\_Lopez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Lopez)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/92 "2018-06-15T13:34:47Z")
Could make the covert cyno inhibit regular cynos in an area. Or make it a covops or recon only thing. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/93 "2018-06-15T13:46:49Z")
With the new CSM, sorry - GSM - good luck getting any changes (let alone nerfs) to null-sec. Want to rattle some chains? Ban cynos and supercapitals in low-sec and disallow supercapitals from using jump gates. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/94 "2018-06-15T14:43:44Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > disallow supercapitals from using jump gates. If they’re gating _at all_ they’re doign it wrong. They have jump drives… if you have a super you should at minimum have a fax alt, which means you can use that alt to light your cyno at the destination. I have and will continue to use the JD, even to move a single system over. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/95 "2018-06-15T15:09:21Z")
Topic moved to Player Features and Ideas Discussion ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/96 "2018-06-17T17:27:11Z")
Unfortunately, after the new CSM is now known, where half of it are the same people from the same alliances who ruined EVE for years now, this fight is already lost. Nice try guys. ---
**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/97 "2018-06-18T22:00:04Z")
Horrible, the entire idea of cynos is just wasted with this introduction. You are supposed to be able to call for assistance when you get aggressed. There is no real downside to this probe since you can just take 50 dictors (or at least the goons will do it) and then whomever is being aggressed is auto-dead. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/98 "2018-06-20T08:55:37Z")
Ominous that it is CSM **13** … ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/99 "2018-06-21T14:44:45Z")
> [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](#): > > There is no real downside to this probe since you can just take 50 dictors (or at least the goons will do it) and then whomever is being aggressed is auto-dead. Dude Goons/PL drop you with 100 titans 200 dreads 100 carriers 100 faxes and 200 motherships. Even if you take 1204872358782375823795823 dictors you are gone dude. What assistance … what 5 cents? You are oblivious. Every other offensive skill and module in game has countermeasure that you can enact. Why Cynosural field can not be countered? ---
**Author:** ![Golemag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/golemag/32/263182_2.png) [@Golemag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Golemag)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437/100 "2018-06-21T15:05:02Z")
**I posted this before CSM. Now that i see who is in the new CSM i know this has no chance.** However, please consider at least if in the range of this probe the cynosural field strength is so disturbed that the ships that lock on the beacon will have 2 minutes delay locking it for jump and when they jump they will end up on random spots in the system (Interference from the probe caused the jump coordinates to not be as precise). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-single-charge-that-will-fix-eve/81437.md?page=6)