# The status of the game… **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067 "2020-11-21T20:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/135 "2020-11-24T03:53:06Z")
> [@Vintage\_Sins](#): > > I cant hide the fact this game is full of ppl so toxic that not even their moms would love them Deliberately ironic? > [@Xeux](#): > > Who read this? 👆 I read it. To translate it into a coherent summary for you is a challenge though. Edit Nothing new basically: - My playstyle is valid cause that’s what a sandbox means. - let me make lots of isk - CCP tryna make us buy plex for isk. - Miners are the ones who make your guns. - Change now before it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/136 "2020-11-24T03:53:22Z")
I read the “PD” and it was amusing enough that I will now take a deep breath and tackle the wall. EDIT: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/5/95fd9a432771d7431563332e95dad643baabcdca.gif) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/1/9104a67a6a3204197edbc7fdd7386d8deef5976a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/137 "2020-11-24T05:09:01Z")
WTS Paragraphs. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/139 "2020-11-24T07:56:32Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > an experienced and hardcore pure eve player like you should know that by now. But that’s the thing… they’re not replacing anything. No one is stopping anyone from doing the same. _(within game mechanics ofc)_ I don’t know what triglavian bit you in your candy ass … … but it’s absolutely a non-issue. The sandbox is getting _more alive_ and not less. There is no denying in that, and that is all that matters. No one is being replaced. PvP and PvE are being equalized. This has been a goal of CCP for … hell, I don’t even remember. I think it came up the first time eight years ago? Maybe longer? Those who don’t like that will leave … … and those who love it will come, or stay. That’s what they’re doing and it’s great, because when PvE and PvP are the same, then there is no distinction and everything is PvP anyway. 🙂 Hell … It’s the first time I actually enjoy shooting NPCs! You’re barking up an imaginary tree, really. ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_rocker_ronuken/32/242092_2.png) [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Rocker_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/140 "2020-11-24T08:17:15Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > The sandbox is getting _more alive_ and not less. > There is no denying in that, and that is all that matters. you do realize that PVP needs PVE. Ill explain… 1. PVE generates isk, In return That isk is used to buy Ships, Supplies. 2. Ship builders after selling There ships, buy minerals to build new ships and supplies. 3. Miners after selling there Minerals, buy ships and supplies all 3 of those can use there profits for pvp ships. But lets say for giggles you cut the PVE income in 1/2, that means ship builders sell half as much and miners also sell half as much. then minerals start to stockpile again and those prices start to fall. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/141 "2020-11-24T08:21:13Z")
Yet another one … 🙄 Thanks for your useless explanation. It adds nothing, but you don’t know that, because you think you’re in the position of someone who can _explain_ instead of _ask_. You’re not … … so i’m turning this around. Have you been around in the early years of this game … … or at least in the years before 2012? ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_rocker_ronuken/32/242092_2.png) [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Rocker_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/142 "2020-11-24T08:22:04Z")
yes 2006 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/143 "2020-11-24T08:34:44Z")
So you’re well aware that, back then … … wealth generation and resource accumulation was much harder than it is today. So everyone earned less ISK … … and battleships were seriously expensive and an actual _asset_ to use compared to nowadays. You’re aware of how cheap PLEX was in terms of _numbers_ … … and how expensive it was in terms of _value_. > [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](#): > > that means ship builders sell half as much No. The price is being defined by the cost of the minerals, not the other people’s PvE income. The influx of materials is what defines the price of a vast majority of goods, not the buying power of those who wish to buy. Manufacturers will rather start selling below market-build-cost than not selling. When the PvE doesn’t pay well enough to buy manufacturing materials off of the market … … then people will start mining the resources, instead of buying them. That doesn’t make them free, of course, but at least they don’t cost ISK! CCP obviously wants to go back to the earlier days. Unlikely that they wish to recreate the price-landscape from back then, of course, but that doesn’t change that they want things to have _value_ again, which demands a higher price. The best way of achieving this is by cutting PvE in half, because then more people will start building ■■■■ again, which means more people will be mining, which means more people will be fighting for resources, because they’re scarce. The goal is to get people to actually work for their ■■■■ again, like it used to be in the old days. Being proud of ones first battleship is quite something, especially when you had to mine it yourself! _(@Teckos_Pech I don’t know who else to ping. Would you help me out with this? Is this correct or close enough, at least? JSYK Teckos is an actual economist. )_ Now I ask the question: Why do you think there’s a problem with this? ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_rocker_ronuken/32/242092_2.png) [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Rocker_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/144 "2020-11-24T08:47:24Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > No. The price is being defined by the cost of the minerals, not the other people’s PvE income. > The influx of materials is what defines the price of a vast majority of goods, not the buying power of those who wish to buy. if PVEer , Builder, Miner earns less they will spend less. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > The best way of achieving this is by cutting PvE in half, > because then more people will start building ■■■■ again, > which means more people will be mining, > which means more people will be fighting for resources, because they’re scarce. so the market will go to hell, because isk will be short supply and people will rather mine and build there ships you say. Eve is many things to many ppl. not everyone plays eve the same way. PVP is a big part of eve but Eve is not PVP only game it is PVE, mining, marketing, exploration are also a big part of EVE and if you change any of those parts of eve it effects them all. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/145 "2020-11-24T09:00:12Z")
You didn’t _really_ answer my question … … but I guess there’s no point in that anyway. You obviously know better than CCP and everyone else … … the market goes to hell, killing the game … … so you might as well give me your stuff, right? ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_rocker_ronuken/32/242092_2.png) [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Rocker_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/146 "2020-11-24T09:09:10Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You obviously know better than CCP and everyone else … Its just commonsense thinking. if you got $50.00 extra on your pay check you would spend all or some of that on stuff, on the other hand if you got $50.00 pay cut you would have to spend $50.00 less per paycheck. and economically speaking if you spend more the economy benefits as a whole, if you spend less it suffers as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/147 "2020-11-24T09:38:55Z")
Basically, the only people complaining are the people who cannot have enough money. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/148 "2020-11-24T09:50:09Z")
Yes, it’s only the carebears and farmers complaining … … and those who got too used to their easy ways of making money. Like that idiot who quit because he can’t make nine billion ISK per month anymore. They’ve been screaming doom since Black Out … … and they don’t care about reality disagreeing with them … … because in their minds, reality has to bend to what they want. There should be a rule against behaviour like this. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/149 "2020-11-24T09:52:10Z")
Hilariously, the one who doesnt understand basic economic functions admitted mineral prices were up… “…but ore is down!” What a genius ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/150 "2020-11-24T09:52:44Z")
> [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](#): > > if you got $50.00 extra on your pay check you would spend all or some of that on stuff No, I wouldn’t, because I’m not an idiot, but that’s besides the point. So can I have your stuff now, or not? You know it’s not worth keeping it anyway, so why not give it to me? Are you just a hypocrite who doesn’t believe his own words? I mean, if you would, you wouldn’t need your stuff anymore anyway … right? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/151 "2020-11-24T12:23:21Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I don’t know what triglavian bit you in your candy ass … > … but it’s absolutely a non-issue. You are out of your shinny mind, I never said trigl where a problem, only poor designed > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > The sandbox is getting _more alive_ and not less. > There is no denying in that, and that is all that matters. Just wait the ESS hype go away then talk again > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Those who don’t like that will leave … > … and those who love it will come, or stay. Exactly my point.. a lot of pll will leave.. and be y that give you less content. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > That’s what they’re doing and it’s great, > because when PvE and PvP are the same, > then there is no distinction and everything is PvP anyway. 🙂 PvP and pve being the same? there’s no such thing, care to elaborate? > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You’re barking up an imaginary tree, really and you are thanking a guy who blow the 4 tires of your car saying that way you are going slower and thus safer. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/152 "2020-11-24T12:54:03Z")
Should never have been possible to pay for your account with in game money, especially not in a game with so many players throwing billions and trillions around like confetti at a wedding. Always seemed like financial suicide to me. Just last week I saw someone talking about hating CCP and PLEXing their accounts out of spite because they don’t want to give CCP any money for a broken product. That’s not a new thing either, have heard similar comments many times over the years. So you’ve got a huge chunk of the playerbase PLEXing 10 accounts with the money that their 10 Nyx fleet earned them before breakfast, and another chunk refusing to pay up out of spite. Rookie Help is literally full of people asking daily how quickly they can earn 1.5 billion ISK so they can get Omega without paying for it. All sounds mad to me. /shrug ---
**Author:** ![Flanidia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flanidia/32/264223_2.png) [@Flanidia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flanidia)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/153 "2020-11-24T13:47:42Z")
One who doesn’t understand that ore yields changed just commented… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/154 "2020-11-24T13:49:19Z")
At least you know who I was talking about. But you still cant fathom why ore prices are down, but minerals are up, and even though mineral prices going up was exactly what we said would happen, you seem to be trying to say that up or down you are still right. You got nuthin. ---
**Author:** ![Flanidia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flanidia/32/264223_2.png) [@Flanidia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flanidia)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067/155 "2020-11-24T13:50:57Z")
Not at all dear. People mine ore thus ore prices are what matters from an income perspective. But mineral prices matter from an expense perspective. Have a pleasant day : ) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-status-of-the-game/281067.md?page=7)