# The summer has passed, but Eve has not returned to 40,000 concurent users **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 22, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853 "2019-02-22T20:59:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/284 "2019-02-27T17:40:53Z")
It may be a cultural, age, upbringing, lifestyle issue; or maybe I’m just odd. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/285 "2019-02-27T17:43:32Z")
> [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](#): > > I don’t see this delivering PvP to noobs… Its not for noobs, it never was. CCP have seen it, we have seen it. It was never for new people. I could only compare the past situation to clubbing small, fluffy seals. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/286 "2019-02-27T17:45:18Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Choose a better example for your “argument”, preferably one that isn’t debunked so easily. It was a very good argument : you totally explained why I was right. However you did not understand that healthcare increases life expectancy, which I compare to the retention rate in Eve (better retention rate = people play longer). > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > which suggests that a decrease in infant mortality leads to people having less children, Actually not. As I wrote earlier, what is more correlated to the reduction in birth is the women education. That’s why I said there is usually an increase in population after massive healthcare progress, but then the increase becomes lower as women education increases. This is still only “correlations” but is the best model to help reduce overpopulation in the world - ATM. They actually even made some causations [here](http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/female-education-and-childbearing-closer-look-data) > One randomized control trial found that [reducing the cost of school uniforms in Kenya](http://www.povertyactionlab.org/evaluation/impact-distributing-school-uniforms-childrens-education-kenya) not only reduced dropout rates, but also reduced teenage marriage and childbearing. Another study found [that increasing female education by one year](http://www.nber.org/papers/w13070) in Nigeria reduced early fertility by 0.26 births. also [here](https://www.futurity.org/global-fertility-rates-1901352/) (only correlations) > [Previous research](https://www.popcouncil.org/research/women-as-agents-in-fertility-decision-making-australia18701910) shows that the Australian decline was associated with the agency of women increasing through the universal education of girls. This meant that women, rather than men, were putting themselves in charge of fertility decision-making, McDonald says. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/287 "2019-02-27T17:49:11Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > However you did not understand that healthcare increases life expectancy Really?, Did you actually read what I posted? To Wit > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > better healthcare generally means that people live longer > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > but then the increase becomes lower as women education increases That education being somewhat about how to care for your children, by not defecating in the drinking water for example. Education is a very important part of healthcare; Cholera in the UK in the 1830’s being an example of poor health education leading to disease. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/288 "2019-02-27T17:51:10Z")
I am talking about going to school, not about learning to poop. Also this sentence makes no sense, I am telling you about the effect or education on BIRTH RATE not on healthcare. Read the articles I linked, you are completely out of topic now. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/289 "2019-02-27T17:52:45Z")
> women, rather than men, were putting themselves in charge of fertility decision-making Its usually the case. You know, when woman want to have a child, she will even fake taking contraceptives? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/290 "2019-02-27T17:53:40Z")
This is more about taking contraceptive, not faking it. (But I get it’s a joke - other people may not and think this is a genuine argument 😛 ) ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/291 "2019-02-27T17:54:32Z")
WTF are you people on about now? This is now so far off the rails, it’s grown wings. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/292 "2019-02-27T17:54:49Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I am talking about going to school, not about learning to poop. I can guarantee that basic hygiene habits, like not defecating in the drinking water, are included in the curriculum of many schools in countries like Kenya and Nigeria. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/293 "2019-02-27T17:55:44Z")
I garantee that the added years of school do not teach you better how to poop than those already required. And also that it still is an out-of-topic argument. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/294 "2019-02-27T17:56:32Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I garantee that the added years of school do not teach you better how to poop than those already required. Where not to poo, not how to poo. Try reading. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/295 "2019-02-27T17:59:04Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Try reading. Try reading the article I linked before giving your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/296 "2019-02-27T17:59:36Z")
> [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > Compressing space a bit will alleviate the ennui pvpers suffer when roaming and more ships dying means better profits for industrialists. or they could just reduce the coalition sizes. I promise this is what they will have to do to save this game, they will need to drop it around 2k cap per alliance and make it mechanically impssible to have coalitions work in pvp situation (making them invalid other wise) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/297 "2019-02-27T17:59:55Z")
Try not nitpicking. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/298 "2019-02-27T18:08:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I am telling you about the effect or education on BIRTH RATE not on healthcare. Education is an important part of healthcare, both play an important part in postnatal care and in this case are intrinsically linked. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Try reading the article I linked before giving your opinion. I did, TYVM > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Try not nitpicking. If you were Anderson that would be a case of the pot calling out the kettle. Point taken, but my comment is still valid. ---
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/299 "2019-02-27T18:13:38Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I could only compare the past situation to clubbing small, fluffy seals. Small fluffy seals who quit at the 98% level if they aren’t exposed to said clubbing. You think you’re helping them. I get that. Try to understand that I also think I’m helping them. I’m not the cruel seal clubber that you think I am. I deliver and demonstrate a different kind of fun than mining. I can tell you that the chat room where I taught in Akiainavas was populated by literally dozens of noobs… who wanted to play and learn. Your prejudice to this playstyle blinds you. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/300 "2019-02-27T18:16:05Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Point taken, but my comment is still valid. You are still talking about health care when I am talking about birth rate decrease, so … no. Learn to read. ---
**Author:** ![Mimi\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi_lsg/32/140151_2.png) [@Mimi\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mimi_LSG)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/301 "2019-02-27T18:27:14Z")
Are you stupid or just look like that ??? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/302 "2019-02-27T18:33:10Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You are still talking about health care when I am talking about birth rate decrease, so … no. Learn to read. Which are linked. :facepalm: ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853/303 "2019-02-27T18:36:58Z")
You and I know the k/d ratio CCP showed, I will not bring it, because everyone interested knows how it was before and why. And you bringing few noobies who wanted to learn PvP one way or another doesnt mean much. > quit at the 98% level if they aren’t exposed to said clubbing Beatings will not stop until morale improves? 🙄 Thats some strong delusion. CCP showed everyone what it was and how. You only fail to accept it, thinking you know better. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-summer-has-passed-but-eve-has-not-returned-to-40-000-concurent-users/141853.md?page=16)