# The T3 Skill Death Penalty Needs To End Immediately **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 18, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237 "2021-05-18T18:50:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nomaar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomaar/32/273792_2.png) [@Nomaar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomaar)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/1 "2021-05-18T18:50:13Z")
With the latest T3 nerf, this penalty is beyond ridiculous–unless CCP is just looking for a way to sell skill injectors. END IT NOW. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/3 "2021-05-18T19:03:47Z")
> [@Wombat\_4\_Combat](#): > > I mean there is an upcoming 15-25% DPS reduction/nerf across all T3 coming too why not wait for that? What? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/4 "2021-05-18T19:17:07Z")
I love that guy, lmao. He truly found the winning formula. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/5 "2021-05-18T20:51:00Z")
well , i kinda agree… in the old times the t3 was just better than other cruisers today is a dam mean hunter and explorer but not OP as it was is much more balanced no need for death penalty IMO ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/6 "2021-05-18T21:08:49Z")
Aw man you had to cycle to a new alt already? ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/7 "2021-05-18T21:19:25Z")
Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/8 "2021-05-18T23:32:56Z")
@Brisc_Rubal yes or no Aren’t you in favor of getting CCP to get rid of the death penalty for T3C? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/9 "2021-05-19T00:13:12Z")
It’s on my list (#46). There is no need for it anymore. I have talked to CCP about this as recently as this week. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/10 "2021-05-19T00:36:41Z")
> [@Wombat\_4\_Combat](#): > > I mean there is an upcoming 15-25% DPS reduction/nerf across all T3 coming too why not wait for that? They already just got a 100% damage reduction thanks to now being worthless to fly, can’t lose SP if you don’t fly one 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Wombat\_4\_Combat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wombat_4_combat/32/273063_2.png) [@Wombat\_4\_Combat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wombat_4_Combat)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/11 "2021-05-19T00:45:05Z")
Worthless? How so? ---
**Author:** ![Kaori\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaori_sato/32/271644_2.png) [@Kaori\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaori_Sato)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/12 "2021-05-19T04:27:30Z")
covert spec ones are losing slots to run stuff for new changes. mechanics of covert and nullication are changing and now people will spam anti cloak to probe and find them Unless in WH T3C is just a very expensive lossmail to be in low/null its looking like. Last change had them not the hi sec monsters they used to be. Blitzing they can do. And…that’s about it. Gila and others have started to replace them on the CA circuits as well. In short soon you are no worse off in pirates/faction or hacs. and these don’t wipe out 5 days of training (assuming like a any good t3c pilot you have all subs 5) on loss. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/13 "2021-05-19T07:36:22Z")
People still fly T3? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/14 "2021-05-19T07:58:41Z")
Because 3 is greater than 2 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/15 "2021-05-19T07:59:46Z")
lol fair point 3 times worse lol ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/16 "2021-05-19T11:53:41Z")
Even with all the nerfs, T3 Cruisers are still good for running PvE content. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/17 "2021-05-19T11:55:19Z")
Now, I am the last person wanting to be seen calling a ship useless, so if thats how it came across I totally retract it. I just havent looked at my Legion or Tengu sionce I got a bunch of Sacrileges a couple years back. But I grant folkll find a use. I just dont find em quite as much use as I thought I did a few years back. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/18 "2021-05-19T11:59:12Z")
Yeah, I use to use my Loki all the time, mostly for exploration and Level 4 Epic Arcs, been a while now since I last used it. Basically stopped when the Trig crap started and switched over to doing Trade, been piloting a Travel Ceptor and BR as needed ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/19 "2021-05-19T12:00:09Z")
BR is still on of my favourite classes of all time. I doubt Ill put one of these new Nullifiers on it though. I like it as it is. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/20 "2021-05-19T12:02:03Z")
With my clone implants, I have my BR fit for sub 2s align to warp with cloak for travel. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237/21 "2021-05-19T12:02:23Z")
Because no other ship looks as awesome as a Tengu along with its rate of fire and overheating. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-t3-skill-death-penalty-needs-to-end-immediately/312237.md?page=2)