# The truth about Adrian Vexier! **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** null-sec, pvp, high-sec\ **Created:** [September 19, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751 "2021-09-19T01:49:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ricky\_Tock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ricky_tock/32/297351_2.png) [@Ricky\_Tock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ricky_Tock)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/22 "2021-09-19T03:46:38Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > this is my forst post on this character. Your posting history speaks for itself. > [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > not a clever reply. Well, considering this whole topic is ad hoc conjecture, I’d say this whole thread is devoid of cleverness. > [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > read my initial post. you have all the proof there! No. What you have posted is exactly what Adrian wants you to post. He sets up alts and manufactures the scenarios to appear disingenuous. This thread is like the ones regards Kusion and how so many players accuse him of command broadcasting and hacking, when in fact they just don’t understand the man’s methods. Or more likely: it’s way easier to cry hacker than accept that you are bad at something. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/23 "2021-09-19T03:46:46Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > Mechanics get nerfed and balanced as a result. Two things that never got looked at are ganking and bumping. Bumping has been nerfed [since 2019](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-september-2019-release): ![snip](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/b/f/6bf8d60e4c668a25450759d081744e4e75fc45ad.png) It’s so easy to escape a bump now that most of the dedicated bumpers aren’t even doing it anymore. > [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > Plus this strange occurrence when he killed a ship in highsec then a station in nullsec in literally the same minute then the pod of the other guy in the same system in highsec two minutes later. If you shoot at someone and they die without a session change (eg. jump gate) within 15 minutes, you’ll be on the kill. So he: 1. shot at the Fortizar in nullsec in the 15 minutes before 04:23 2. clone jumped (or was killed and podded back to his home station in highsec) 3. then killed Selman in highsec at 04:23 4. in the same minute, the Fortizar died, so he was on the kill for that It’s not strange at all really. > [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > Second there is the ganking and escaping concord. He regularly ganks ships in the ice fields and sometimes concord doesn’t even come. How do you know this? Based on zkillboard? If based on zkillboard then what it means is he hasn’t given zkillboard the scopes to access his killmails, but he posts his kills via [the post link](https://zkillboard.com/post/). His losses don’t get posted, even though they occur. Otherwise, what is your proof of him evading CONCORD? ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/24 "2021-09-19T03:52:20Z")
> [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > Well, considering this whole topic is ad hoc conjecture, I’d say this whole thread is devoid of cleverness. it’s not ad hoc conjecture. i presented real evidence and you try to make a mockery out of it. i kindly ask you to either sustain or refute my evidence or explain what he did or simply get the fwck out of my thread. it’s pretty obvious by now that you are one of Adrian’s alts trying to shut this down! mister 5.0 sec standings after just 1 year… ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/25 "2021-09-19T03:56:34Z")
Ok so > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you shoot at someone and they die in the same system within 15 minutes, you’ll be on the kill. and then > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > - shot at the Fortizar in nullsec in the 15 minutes before 04:23 > - clone jumped (or was killed and podded back to his home station in highsec) > - then killed Selman in highsec at 04:23 > - in the same minute, the Fortizar died, so he was on the kill for that i don’t know if you realize but you just shot yourself in the foot there. if he shot at the fortizar in nullsec and then got podded to highsec… wel… he’s not in the same system anymore, dummy! by your own logic he was there when the fortizar exploded and also there when he killed the heron. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If based on zkillboard then what it means is he hasn’t given zkillboard the scopes to access his killmails, but he posts his kills via [the post link](https://zkillboard.com/post/). how does he maintain 5.1 positive sec status then? argument fail! ---
**Author:** ![Ricky\_Tock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ricky_tock/32/297351_2.png) [@Ricky\_Tock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ricky_Tock)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/26 "2021-09-19T03:57:55Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > it’s not ad hoc conjecture You claim evidence, but all you have are correlative dots on a scatter plot of Adrain’s activity that you are privvy to. Plenty more goes on that you will never be privvy to. As another player above me mentioned: Adrian doesn’t have to let anything be posted on his killboard. If he only posts what he wants, that further supports the narrative that he spins falsities to make players like you cry hacker. > [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > refute my evidence or explain what he did What evidence? I see an action log. Evidence that he was actually a hacker would require more than a few snapshots of his actions. You brought the claim forward. The burden of proof is on you, which is why I goaded you into crying “hacker” when your OP remained ambiguous on that term. Completely ad hoc. You brought “strange” and “peculiar” evidence forward and I needed to force the claim out of you. This is a poor persuasive effort. > [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > mister 5.0 sec standings after just 1 year… Is that suspiscious, too? Just call me a hacker. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/27 "2021-09-19T03:59:01Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > he’s not in the same system anymore If you shoot at someone and “they die” (not you die). The fortizar died within 15 minutes of him shooting it. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/28 "2021-09-19T04:02:32Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > how does he maintain 5.1 positive sec status then? argument fail! He doesn’t gank maybe? What is your proof that is ganking at all? ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/29 "2021-09-19T04:03:15Z")
> [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > If he only posts what he wants ok I’ll give you that. his zkillboard really seems doctored with almost no losses and thousands of kills. > [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > when your OP remained ambiguous on that term. > > Completely ad hoc. You brought “strange” and “peculiar” evidence forward and I needed to force the claim out of you. This is a poor persuasive effort. i cant directly accuse someone of hacking without having direct hard proof. and what do you know? i dont have his game logs or game server logs! but we can dig into zkillboard and also screenshot him in space. and on that note - search him in game now - he has 5.1 positive sec status on a 2017 toon. HOW??? ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/30 "2021-09-19T04:06:26Z")
well how the hek did he attain 5.1 sec status on a 2017 toon in the first place??? and you want proof of ganking? here: > **[Skiff | Commador Sphyncture | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95140407/)** > > Commador Sphyncture (Center for Advanced Studies) lost their Skiff in Tolle (Everyshore) Total Value: 336,089,065.58 ISK > **[Skiff | RAYMOND HAYWORTH | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95151116/)** > > RAYMOND HAYWORTH (Intergalactic traders Inc.) lost their Skiff in Aydoteaux (Everyshore) Total Value: 297,568,780.00 ISK > **[Incursus | John Doimingo | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95119912/)** > > John Doimingo (Looking Glass Technologies) lost their Incursus in Aydoteaux (Everyshore) Total Value: 499,293.14 ISK > **[Gila | 3lpirata | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94669202/)** > > 3lpirata (LOYALS WARRIORS GNOSTICS) lost their Gila in Aydoteaux (Everyshore) Total Value: 337,217,383.33 ISK > **[Procurer | lothbrooke | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94665630/)** > > lothbrooke (Strategic Exploration and Development Corp) lost their Procurer in Antollare (Everyshore) Total Value: 50,500,371.50 ISK > **[Rook | george skyshudder | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94664369/)** > > george skyshudder (R1vals) lost their Rook in Tolle (Everyshore) Total Value: 263,686,085.02 ISK > **[Gnosis | HAWKEN2000 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94649669/)** > > HAWKEN2000 (The Scope) lost their Gnosis in Antollare (Everyshore) Total Value: 53,908,006.39 ISK > **[Gnosis | Darius Corvan | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94648683/)** > > Darius Corvan (Enigman Inc.) lost their Gnosis in Aydoteaux (Everyshore) Total Value: 108,627,656.71 ISK > **[Hulk | Darius Corvan | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94648430/)** > > Darius Corvan (Enigman Inc.) lost their Hulk in Aydoteaux (Everyshore) Total Value: 307,009,666.86 ISK > **[Procurer | lothbrooke | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94625404/)** > > lothbrooke (Strategic Exploration and Development Corp) lost their Procurer in Agal (Genesis) Total Value: 119,824,829.63 ISK all solo all highsec! most on miners! i posted only the recent ones. his killboard is full of such kills. posting them all would take ages! ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/31 "2021-09-19T04:07:40Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > all solo all highsec! most on miners! Do you know what suspect baiting is? ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/32 "2021-09-19T04:09:33Z")
what if I told you I saw him with my own eyes warp in an ice field, kill a mining ship and then quickly warp back? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/33 "2021-09-19T04:12:53Z")
I’d say 1 of a couple of things: 1. he was suspect baiting and you didn’t see the part where he got the limited engagement before changing ships, coming back and killing the mining ship 2. he was suspect baiting and you just didn’t notice that he was suspect and that mining ship engaged him, so he was free to shoot back 3. the miner had a killright that he activated or was suspect some other way (least likely of the 3) 4. he sent a duel request and the miner accepted it (least likely of all 4) and if you are going to then say you saw with your own eyes that he wasn’t suspect and neither was the miner at any point when a limited engagement timer was activated (and you can’t see the limited engagement timer), then I’m going to call you a liar, because it is impossible to gank and warp away. ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/34 "2021-09-19T04:15:57Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > then I’m going to call you a liar, because it is impossible yeah… so does having a +5.1 sec status on a char before 2010 or so. and his char is from 2017. so don’t talk about impossible! and how about the 3700 m/s bumping mach? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/35 "2021-09-19T04:17:44Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > impossible! If it’s impossible, how has he done it? Clearly, it is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/36 "2021-09-19T04:17:46Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > yeah… so does having a +5.1 sec status on a char before 2010 or so. and his char is from 2017. so don’t talk about impossible! His sec status is 5.097852462 (rounded to 5.1 in game). I know it’s really hard to go above 5.049, but clearly it’s still possible. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/37 "2021-09-19T04:17:57Z")
Clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/38 "2021-09-19T04:18:49Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > His sec status is 5.097852462 how did you come to that number? did you pull it right out of your… nose? ---
**Author:** ![Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nadia_bulkalov/32/289063_2.png) [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nadia_Bulkalov)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/39 "2021-09-19T04:19:25Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If it’s impossible, how has he done it? Clearly, it is possible. its impossible with normal game mechanics. possible with… ‘magic’… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/40 "2021-09-19T04:19:40Z")
> [@Nadia\_Bulkalov](#): > > how did you come to that number? did you pull it right out of your… nose? Yeah, right outta my nose. Totally like a magician: [https://esi.evetech.net/latest/characters/2112848302/?datasource=tranquility](https://esi.evetech.net/latest/characters/2112848302/?datasource=tranquility) ---
**Author:** ![Ricky\_Tock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ricky_tock/32/297351_2.png) [@Ricky\_Tock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ricky_Tock)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751/41 "2021-09-19T04:20:27Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > I know it’s really hard to go above 5.049, but clearly it’s still possible. > [@Wtd info on concord agents to get above +5 sec](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wtd-info-on-concord-agents-to-get-above-5-sec/77889/3): > > Both agents are still available but they now work for… Interbus, I think? Anyway - they no longer work for Concord so you can’t use them to raise your sec status above 5.0. [https://eveboard.com/pilot/jenne\_wain](https://eveboard.com/pilot/jenne_wain) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-truth-about-adrian-vexier/328751.md?page=3)