# The World of Warcraft way **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 22, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306 "2020-02-22T03:01:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dryderian\_Vex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dryderian_vex/32/188433_2.png) [@Dryderian\_Vex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dryderian_Vex)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/1 "2020-02-22T03:01:26Z")
Porting mission objectives into the cargo bay, while 90% of the enemies are still alive? Seriously CCP? You are going down the line, which basically destroyed WoW? Instant gratification without effort? I thought PVE was the prequel to PVP in Eve? PVP wihtout effort is the next step? ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/2 "2020-02-22T03:23:25Z")
Hurf blurf ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/3 "2020-02-22T04:04:02Z")
It’s almost like it’s a newbie mission arc you are complaining about that also had serious issues with griefers stealing from newbies. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/4 "2020-02-22T04:33:55Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > serious issues with griefers stealing from newbies Exactly that. I’m all for the open world PVP sandbox and “no one is innocent”, at the same time newbies doing newbie tutorials (which the SOE storyline is part of, realistically) should NOT be easy&obvious targets for people to ■■■■ with. It’s akin to the “don’t ■■■■ with less than 30 day old newbies in starter&career systems” which I fully agree to. Specifically targeting true newbies is terrible, it’s the result of having really low self esteem combined with some severe character faults. As a side note I tend to help people if they have issues with Kritsan or Dagan, first with making sure they have a good ship and fit for their SP and wallet but if it turns out that right now it’s just not going to happen I’ll hop over and help them kill it. Many times Kritsan will spawn in MY cargo hold, not sure if this is only because I’m fleeted with them or if it’s always the case. Either way it should probably be changed to have him always spawn in the mission owner’s cargo. OP should stop whining and stop targeting 3 day old newbies. It’s terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/5 "2020-02-22T04:59:20Z")
Yes, time for Eve Classic. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/6 "2020-02-22T05:48:15Z")
This is low effort bait. ---
**Author:** ![Famine\_Aligher\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/famine_aligher_ri/32/393186_2.png) [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Famine_Aligher_ri)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/7 "2020-02-22T07:02:52Z")
> [@Dryderian\_Vex](#): > > I thought PVE was the prequel to PVP in Eve? PVP wihtout effort is the next step? Well, actually, PvE is mostly here to support PvP. It’s not here to be the first step to doing PvP, it’s a separate journey all together. I don’t know if you know this, but ships and modules are made from PvE. This is what it means to support PvP. If no one researches, invents, mines, builds, and sells thing through PvE avenues, then we cannot PvP. The same is true for the large scale conflict, which is all driven by PvE such as taking space or territory. Sure, the act of “taking” space happens through PvP conflict. But that conflict is encouraged through the need to PvE (e.g.: mine, rat, farm the space for ISK). Both styles of game play (PvE and PvP) need to work together to complete the circle of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/8 "2020-02-22T12:13:21Z")
No! No EVE Classic! Only EVE Vanilla or maybe - MAYBE - EVE 8.1! ONLY THESE!!! > [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](#): > > complete the circle of EVE. It’s the ciiiiirrrrrr-kell of EEEEEEEVVEEEEEE… with things and stuuuuuffffff… the cir-cllllllle of-ah EEEEVVVVVEEEEE-AAHHHH where people do thiiiiiinnnnnnnngggsssssss in-ah spayyyyyyyy-sssssssssss… do-be-do-be-dooooooooo tra-la-la-laaaaaaaaaaa… _camera zooms in for full-screen close-up of singer looking kinda smug while last notes fade out_ ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/9 "2020-02-22T12:32:23Z")
Dude, calm down. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/10 "2020-02-22T12:45:50Z")
You’re right. I got carried away and I let myself down. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/11 "2020-02-22T12:49:50Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > at the same time newbies doing newbie tutorials (which the SOE storyline is part of, realistically) should NOT be easy&obvious targets for people to ■■■■ with. That’s covered by the Rookie Griefing policy: > **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... Specifically: _Such griefing involves but is not limited to; destroying, stealing or ransoming mission critical items._ So if it is happening and you know about it, help the rookies report it. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/12 "2020-02-22T12:49:54Z")
The OP might not be talking about “newbie missions” There is several Lv4 missions that does now, so if your a mission runner…you blap the item holding target as quickly as possible these days then clear the room for loot and salvage if you are not blitzing ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/13 "2020-02-22T13:18:06Z")
Will the noob have the awareness to take the theif’s name? Even though the thief’s suspect in local, by the time the noob understands what’s happened and asked for help he could have left system or logged. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Norros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_norros/32/249084_2.png) [@ISD\_Norros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Norros)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-world-of-warcraft-way/221306/14 "2020-02-22T19:20:35Z")
Closed at Op’s Request