# There are some good people around here **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 25, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650 "2017-11-25T15:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/182 "2017-12-08T16:34:26Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > The selling point of a “sandbox” is that you can shape it to be what you want. The selling point of a “game” is that you can greatly influence the outcome by your actions. > > It is YOU who does not understand “the game”. EvE is actually quite specifically a “PvP Sandbox” not a Sandbox. The extra word there makes all the difference. It is a sandbox within the indicated constraints of “PvP”. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/183 "2017-12-08T18:10:06Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > EvE is actually quite specifically a “PvP Sandbox” not a Sandbox. The extra word there makes all the difference. It is a sandbox within the indicated constraints of “PvP”. Or EvE, as Everyone vs Everyone. I prefer that. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/184 "2017-12-08T18:32:30Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Or EvE, as Everyone vs Everyone. Yeah I like that too I just didn’t want to use it since I’m not sure if that was ever actually an official thing. Got a source? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/185 "2017-12-08T18:57:29Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > EvE is actually quite specifically a “PvP Sandbox” not a Sandbox. What’s the difference? That kicking sand in other players’ eyes and knocking over their sandcastles is sanctioned and valid gameplay. But it is no more bad or good than calling a player who does them an [expletive deleted]. And we’re back at square 1. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/186 "2017-12-08T19:16:05Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > unfairness, cruelty EVE is unfair and cruel by nature Adapt or die But stop crying like a teenager because your cherry got popped in an unexpected way lol E1: Also @Keno_Skir I can confirm EVE is Everyone Versus Everyone E2 @Salvos_Rhoska only one way to know… @CCP_Falcon can we get a confirmation? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/187 "2017-12-08T19:20:25Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > Got a source? Never been confirmed, afaik. One of EVE’s mysteries. But it works! ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/188 "2017-12-08T19:46:27Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > What’s the difference? That kicking sand in other players’ eyes and knocking over their sandcastles is sanctioned and valid gameplay. But it is no more bad or good than calling a player who does them an [expletive deleted]. And we’re back at square 1. By your broken logic (again having to re-explain things slowly for you) anyone who beats you at any game counts as “kicking sand in eyes and knocking over sandcastles” and makes someone a bad person. When someone “kills” you in EvE they are not breaking any rules, just playing the game as it’s meant to be played. No evidence of bad people until someone goes outside the EULA (CCP slap such people with bans pretty quick). Basically you’re still talking total rubbish and even more importantly, still a bit butt-hurt about a video game. Show me on the doll where the nasty game touched you. **○|-\<** ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/189 "2017-12-08T20:23:30Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > . The selling point of a “sandbox” is that you can shape it to be what you want Show where CCP has ever used that in its marketing material. You can do what you want, when you want, but only within the context of the rules and under the influence of others. No one in the game can shape the game to be what they want. There are a handful of players that can rely on the support of thousands of others to influence what the game is, but that doesn’t include anyone in this thread and they still can’t shape the game to be what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/190 "2017-12-08T20:28:58Z")
Its pedantic, but I think EVE doesnt well fit the description of a “sandbox”, and never has. There are very little means to shape the sand of this game, as the boxed environment we play in. Its more about how we interact with each other in that box, and the sand just happens to be under our feet. EVE is all about the players, and very little about the sand. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/191 "2017-12-08T20:43:00Z")
Actually it’s the other way round. Nature itself _seems_ unfair and cruel to the weak and genetically inferior (in context of evolution). You can figure out yourself what certain people probably thus think about evolution and nature itself. EVE is neither unfair, nor cruel. EVE is the fairest game of them all, because everyone has the equal chance of protecting himself. The dumb and too soft, who people like the sugar coated chocolate thingy called M&M want to protect, are the only ones ever complaining about the game, because OF COURSE they think the game is unfair. They are the equivalent of the genetically inferior who should be dieing out. EVE is fair. People are too soft and dumb. Thank you, politics. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/192 "2017-12-08T21:11:38Z")
Barbara Eden for new eden? well played ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/193 "2017-12-08T21:26:00Z")
Hmm I liked reading that point of view Another good perspective about the game 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/194 "2017-12-08T21:49:09Z")
An unintended coincidence, I didn’t know the name of the actress. It’s a good popcorn gif and I watched a shitload of it as a kid, thanks AFN and BFBS. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/195 "2017-12-09T00:37:23Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > EVE is unfair and cruel by nature If it hurts your feelings to be called “the villain” then stop being “the villain”. Don’t blame the game for your choices and the results of those choices. YOU are unfair. YOU are cruel. So? I don’t even really care, but you scheme and backstab and “metagame” and use politics and then you cry foul when someone calls you out about it. You’re a [expletive deleted] head. If you don’t like being called a [expletive deleted], then don’t be a [expletive deleted] head. You talk about butthurt and crying, but that’s exactly what I hear from you. “Waaaaaah. I’m not a meanie. I’m a really nice guy in real life. It’s true. If you asked my mommy, she would tell you so.” I don’t care if you be nice or not. But don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. Harden the [expletive deleted] up. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/196 "2017-12-09T01:09:07Z")
Lmao Ofc I’m cruel to little crybabies that want everything for nothing You need to change games if you’re mad tbh ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/197 "2017-12-09T01:19:47Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > You need to change games if you’re mad tbh "if ". ---
**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/198 "2017-12-09T03:28:01Z")
Mayhaw, why are you waiting to leave eve and go exclusively to star citizen as you have proudly claimed you will be doing? ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/199 "2017-12-09T12:42:26Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If it hurts your feelings to be called “the villain” then stop being “the villain”. Don’t blame the game for your choices and the results of those choices. Nobody cares who gets called the villain. It’s when you pretend being the villain in a game makes you a villain in real life that you get mercilessly mocked like currently. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > I don’t even really care You care loads or you wouldn’t keep spinning your wheels here trying to look clever. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining Suck it up carebear. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/200 "2017-12-09T17:44:22Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > Suck it up carebear. that’s the spirit. suck it up, buttercup. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/201 "2017-12-09T21:23:48Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > Nobody cares who gets called the villain. This is the 201st post in a thread where most of the posters are complaining that someone is being called the villain. Does your statement reflect reality? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650.md?page=11)