# There are some good people around here

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [November 25, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650 "2017-11-25T15:15:53Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/222 "2017-12-23T11:53:55Z")

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> [@yellow\_parasol](#):
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> inb4 “you can’t read emotional intent from text”, which is wrong, of course, except for those with no inside knowledge of themselves… of course.

Can you tell my current emotional intent from this text?

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**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/224 "2017-12-23T12:01:47Z")

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> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> Can you tell my current emotional intent from this text?

![terminator](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/b/cb1d5a375afe316c44980c236eb19fee471acf29.gif)

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/228 "2017-12-23T16:51:30Z")

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> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#):
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> I just found this and wanted to post it to demonstrate what ugly, hate-filled people carebears are.

GJ broadcasting a hidden post from a locked thread, and ignoring that she called me a “silly little man” to prompt it.

Equal rights=Equal lefts.

For 20 something posts she insisted PLEX had never been issued as an in-game reward. She was wrong, all along.

> [@Keno\_Skir](#):
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> Seething with impotent rage.

Nope. You guessed wrong.  
Does that make you mad?

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/229 "2017-12-23T17:16:36Z")

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Ffs can you stop dragging me back into this mess?

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/230 "2017-12-23T17:21:42Z")

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> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#):
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> Ffs can you stop dragging me back into this mess?

Tell that to Galaxy\_Pig.  
Necroing a hidden post from a locked thread without context, is low, and leaves me no recourse than to address it.

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/232 "2017-12-23T17:24:34Z")

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I did. Hence not replying directly to you but in general.

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**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/240 "2017-12-23T21:26:22Z")

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I have this strange feeling that all the people that liked that post didn’t understand my intent behind posting that picture 😛

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**Author:** ![ISD\_Yumi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_yumi/32/380953_2.png) [@ISD\_Yumi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Yumi)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/241 "2017-12-23T22:32:13Z")

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I have cleaned up a few posts in here. Please be respectful to each other and keep on topic please!

Thank you everyone! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/242 "2017-12-23T23:22:12Z")

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Good people respect the will of others.  
Bad people disrespect the will of others.

One of the more sinister ways bad people disrespect the will of others is by leading others to adopt values and precepts that are contrary to the fundamental interests of those others.

This can be as simple as threatening them with harm if they do not conform to some action. It can be as complicated promising them an abstract, success, approval, increased social standing, monetary gain, power, or even love . . . should they conform.

Approval and social standing are of particular concern in EVE, as the promise of most other things is ostensibly out-of-bounds. People who want you to engage in self-destructive behavior in-game are only allowed certain means of motivating you . . . like giving you ISK and a pat on the head.

I hope the above is a more acceptable way of saying what was in the removed posts.

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**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/243 "2017-12-23T23:42:49Z")

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> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#):
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> Good people respect others.
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> Bad people disrespect others.

Ftfy 🙂

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/244 "2017-12-24T01:59:28Z")

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> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#):
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> > Good people respect others.
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> > Bad people disrespect others.
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> Ftfy 🙂

Good people are respected by other good people.

Bad people are respected by other bad people.

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**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/245 "2017-12-24T02:39:27Z")

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Nah  
Because I respect both

You only respect those you think are _good_  
And no one really respects bad people (Nitshe, Holey, etc, etc)

And _good_ or _bad_ really depends on who’s judging who for whatever reason.  
That makes your argument invalid 🙂

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/246 "2017-12-24T02:44:47Z")

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I didnt qualify/quantify either, except that they respect their own, and ones like them.

Whom you consider good or bad is up to you.  
Would you respect someone you perceive as bad?

There isnt all that much difference between a den of thieves and a parliament.

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**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/247 "2017-12-24T02:57:58Z")

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Our definition of _bad_ is clearly different.

After all, I’m one of the bad guys in your eyes lmao

> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> Good people are respected by other good people.
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> Bad people are respected by other bad people.

Is just simply false.  
Bad people don’t respect anyone but themselves.

And to be bluntly honest, the only bad people I know in EVE are those that try to bring that evil through the game/rl threshold. Any other is just playing the game how they see fit.

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/248 "2017-12-24T03:28:00Z")

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> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> Our definition of bad is clearly different.

There is only one definition:  
Bad is that which you dont consider good.

Now apply that to my previous post and see how it boils down.

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**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/249 "2017-12-24T09:34:30Z")

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Go away with this binary logic, please.

Accurate:

- good
- bad
- not good
- not bad
- neutral

Good != not bad  
Bad != not good  
Neutral == Neutral != good != bad != not good != not bad

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/250 "2017-12-24T10:28:11Z")

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> [@yellow\_parasol](#):
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> Good != not bad  
> Bad != not good

Good= Not bad.  
Bad= Not good.  
Neutral= Neither bad nor good.

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**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/251 "2017-12-24T10:39:59Z")

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If your thinking is stuck in the 1800s, then that’s correct. Personally, i rather apply modern thinking, instead of this limited, simple minded, binary view of the world. There is a lot to learn about the modern ways of thinking, and you seem to need it. (of course, despite the evidence, you’ll disagree… right?)

Feel free to have the last word again. Just like the last time, when you have proven that you need it to feel better about yourself. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/252 "2017-12-24T10:47:46Z")

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> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#):
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> Bad people disrespect the will of others.

I constantly disrespect the will of those who seek me harm.

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/253 "2017-12-24T10:56:55Z")

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I simply optimized your logic.  
Its always preferable to state =, rather than !=.  
!= is used primarily for exceptions from =.

As to the logic being binary, we can also apply a quantitative/quality value:  
1=Good  
0=Neutral  
-1= Bad.

Zero being without value, means it is neither good nor bad, or as good as bad, whilst good/bad remain mutually exclusive as values themselves.

I dont care about “last word”. I’m not that vain and have been on the internet far too long for that to matter anymore.

There are issues where I want to “win”, but this isnt one of them.  
I’m just discussing with you on the topic at hand.

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