# There are some good people around here **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 25, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650 "2017-11-25T15:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Pestilen\_Ratte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pestilen_ratte/32/42087_2.png) [@Pestilen\_Ratte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pestilen_Ratte)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/254 "2017-12-24T11:05:39Z")
hashtag ME TOO. One time, I was mining this rock, and this pirate kilt me. 'Cept he never gave me no isk. And he podded me. And shot the wreck. Other than that, very similar story. I may add, you will not find Concorde to be reasonable or measured in their approach to justice. A man can do the right thing and still find his self unfairly prejudiced by their brutality. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/255 "2017-12-24T11:11:51Z")
> [@Pestilen\_Ratte](#): > > I may add, you will not find Concorde to be reasonable or measured in their approach to justice. A man can do the right thing and still find his self unfairly prejudiced by their brutality. #PirateLivesMatter ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/256 "2017-12-24T11:50:17Z")
I don’t think respecting the will of others means obeying the will of others, necessarily. But even if it does, that doesn’t absolve us of having to behave a certain way to be considered “good”. It just means that we can’t always be good of our own accord. We need the cooperation of others. “Despite their objections to violence, they rather be deadly than dead.” ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/257 "2017-12-24T12:54:17Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > It just means that we can’t always be good of our own accord. We need the cooperation of others. I get what you are going for, but to be virtuous (ie:good), no matter how you qualify it, requires no-ones cooperation, or antagonism. A candle casts light and warmth, both night and day. However, only when its cold or dark, do these qualities stand out as “good”. To be truly virtuous, is to be so regardless of the odds set against you, or the support behind you. The most virtuous of all, are those that remain so, even when they stand alone. Socrates, the father of virtue, whilst himself an ugly insufferable bastard, till the last, never ever stood down. He carried his virtue till his dying breath. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/258 "2017-12-24T13:00:30Z")
Doesnt the concept of morality require at least one other person to exist? Is it possible to be immoral without contact with other human beings? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/259 "2017-12-24T13:05:49Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Doesnt the concept of morality require at least one other person to exist? > > Is it possible to be immoral without contact with other human beings? If no other person existed, then morality/virtue would be very simple. Immorality would be only as that person defying their own extant morality. That would constitute the test of morality in that case, and shows that morality/virtue is seated in the individual, the one. This is a very interesting theological exercise as to the hypothetical nature of an omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent entity, as an absolute locked onto itself by its own absolute qualities. Can one be virtuous when no-one else exists to exercise those virtues on, or whom can regard them? Yes. Even in that complete dark and cold, and absence of all else, that candle still burns just as bright and hot, even if there is no-one else to appreciate its illumination and warmth. Such also will be the death of our universe as we regard it now. One day there will be only one star still shining, dimly, in all of existence. By that virtue alone, itself alone in a universe of cold and dark, it will be the only thing that remains of any value/virtue as weighed against all else being rendered onto 0. A fitting end to, as we understand it, our universe beginning from one singularity, when all was one to begin with, and nothing surrounded it everywhere. * * * Btw, Merry Christmas/Happy Holiday! ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/260 "2017-12-24T14:29:26Z")
No point arguing with Salvos, he just wants to think he’s right despite the 59 people saying he’s factually wrong… Oh welp Merry Christmas you mongs, send isk 🎅🤙 ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/261 "2017-12-25T00:32:14Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > A candle casts light and warmth, both night and day. A candle doesn’t have a choice. It is fitting that we discuss this on Christmas. I think the events in the story of Jesus are a model of what can (and probably will) happen when one man tries to be “good” without regard for his place in society. One candle, alone, cannot illuminate the darkness. That it should be extinguished in trying is not what I would consider “good”. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/262 "2017-12-25T02:04:24Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > A candle doesn’t have a choice. Neither do the virtuous. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > One candle, alone, cannot illuminate the darkness. One candle cannot, and need not, illuminate all the dark. Only that which is nearby it, or drawn to it. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > That it should be extinguished in trying is not what I would consider “good”. What was not good? That the candle was extinguished, or that it shone till the last? In the Orthodox faith, on Easter we pass the light from one candle to others around us. In this way, one light becomes many. We defy the dark. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/263 "2017-12-25T03:38:40Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Neither do the virtuous. Then maybe evil people don’t have a choice either. Maybe we are all just wandering about expressing our inner impulses and inner nature. One man kills. One man saves. And to condemn one of them is not to be against him, because he has no choice. It is to be against the very thing that created him and his nature, since that is where the choice lay. “We were just following orders.” > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > We defy the dark. We are the dark. ---
**Author:** ![Pestilen\_Ratte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pestilen_ratte/32/42087_2.png) [@Pestilen\_Ratte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pestilen_Ratte)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/264 "2017-12-25T07:40:19Z")
This worthy thread has come to the end of its natural life. I shall miss it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/265 "2017-12-25T08:43:42Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > the story of Jesus are a model of what can (and probably will) happen when one man tries to be “good” I think the definition of good has got wildly out of control here. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/266 "2017-12-25T09:33:17Z")
When in doubt… ![release-the-kraken](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/5/a56e7d45f97942659daf51bcc0ab842d17492d7a.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Nitshe\_Razvedka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nitshe_razvedka/32/18392_2.png) [@Nitshe\_Razvedka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nitshe_Razvedka)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/267 "2017-12-25T11:58:40Z")
Only Mrs Nitshe can ask that… and I ave to be in the mood. ---
**Author:** ![Nitshe\_Razvedka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nitshe_razvedka/32/18392_2.png) [@Nitshe\_Razvedka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nitshe_Razvedka)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/268 "2017-12-25T12:00:23Z")
I am 100% Gud, Holey tis chaotic neutral. Get ya facts right girly boy. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/269 "2017-12-25T15:47:50Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > We defy the dark. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > We are the dark. So edgy I feel like i’m at a Twilight first screening. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/270 "2017-12-25T16:14:31Z")
This kind of ■■■■ is why Im a contrarian, know what I mean 'arry? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/271 "2018-03-25T16:14:43Z")
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