# There are some good people around here **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 25, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650 "2017-11-25T15:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/82 "2017-11-27T00:25:17Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > I am not quite sure where, in this morass, to step in . . . so in I jump. > > If I play Chess I am not shocked or dismayed when a piece is taken, my opponent is not bad. When I play poker if I was out-bluffed and lost the hand and some money I will probably admit that my opponent was good (especially if he buys a round afterwards) > > Bad and good, in game terms, should be applied to playing within the spirit of the rules or outside. If you do something not expected of you (ie reimbursing a loss) that might be good. > > But if you take unfair advantage . . . popping a frigate with a T3 cruiser? That is part of the game. Not bad, not good, just how the play is done. One does not just take pawns with other pawns but whatever piece is handy to do so. Part of the game. > > I have gone on roams and shot ships that came into the path of our group. That is what our gameplay was. We did not send a message . . . > > Oh, I say there, chap, we are on a bit of a hunt. Are you up for being the prey today? If so? Tallyho. Otherwise we will just tottle on our way, nobody the worse for wear. > > Not how Eve has been played and not how I ever expect it to be in the future. > > We take the pawns, go for checkmate. Take the pot. Grin and maybe buy a round. /thread. Thanks for playing Mayhew, but this is the right answer. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/83 "2017-11-27T00:41:25Z")
Raise your hands above your head; take a deep breath through your nose, and answer the question: can people be good or bad because of what they do in a video game? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/84 "2017-11-27T00:46:04Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Raise your hands above your head; take a deep breath through your nose, and answer the question: can people be good or bad because of what they do in a video game? Sure…but this isn’t one of those cases. As was noted, this is normal game play in LS. Playing the pirate/outlaw does not make one bad in this game anymore than taking your queen in chess makes me a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/85 "2017-11-27T00:53:31Z")
Okay, but the OP and myself seem to disagree with your answer. Whereas you and all the “true” EVE players are asserting that the pirate the OP met did an act that has no moral significance whatsoever, I think the guy is some sort of “bad” for blowing up the OP, and the OP thinks the guy is some sort of “good” because of something else the guy did in game, after blowing up the OP’s ship. ---
**Author:** ![CMDR-HerpyDerpy\_Hurishima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cmdr-herpyderpy_hurishima/32/25207_2.png) [@CMDR-HerpyDerpy\_Hurishima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CMDR-HerpyDerpy_Hurishima)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/86 "2017-11-27T01:25:49Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > if he was such a good guy, why did he blow up the noob for no apparent reason? Because content. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/87 "2017-11-27T05:30:47Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Okay, but the OP and myself seem to disagree with your answer. Whereas you and all the “true” EVE players are asserting that the pirate the OP met did an act that has no moral significance whatsoever, I think the guy is some sort of “bad” for blowing up the OP, and the OP thinks the guy is some sort of “good” because of something else the guy did in game, after blowing up the OP’s ship. You are trying to attach moral significance to an action in a video game that that is normal game play. Donating ISK is not. Would I call it “good”? IDK, but it is outside the norm and on the positive side. So no, blowing up the ship has no moral significance. ---
**Author:** ![Pix\_Severus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pix_severus/32/394032_2.png) [@Pix\_Severus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pix_Severus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/88 "2017-11-27T05:35:37Z")
The voice of reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/89 "2017-11-27T05:38:39Z")
Don’t you think it’s a rather arbitrary distinction to call attacking and destroying someone’s ship “normal gameplay” but Right Click -\> Give Money is . . . “good”. What criteria are you using to distinguish them? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/90 "2017-11-27T05:59:01Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Don’t you think it’s a rather arbitrary distinction to call attacking and destroying someone’s ship “normal gameplay” but Right Click -\> Give Money is . . . “good”. What criteria are you using to distinguish them? This is a game where players compete against each other…and in doing so they often cooperate. But the very name is the giveaway EVE =\> Everyone vs. Everyone. Still, the idea that players are here to “ruin other players games” is the norm. > The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It’s about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.–[CCP Falcon](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/4973165/) Pretty sure you know all of this too. ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/91 "2017-11-27T06:10:08Z")
> **[Mayhaw Morgan | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/91397693/)** > > Mayhaw Morgan: 418 ships destroyed and 235 ships lost. Please explain your good reasons for attacking those pilots. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/92 "2017-11-27T06:21:48Z")
Mayhaw is clearly a very disturbed individual… /sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/93 "2017-11-27T06:28:18Z")
> [@Tiddle\_Jr](#): > > Please explain your good reasons for attacking those pilots. CCP told me to do it and I have to obey them if I want to be a good boy. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/94 "2017-11-27T06:38:54Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > CCP told me to do it and I have to obey them if I want to be a good boy. Hey, aren’t you the guy who tried to shoot my suspect alt who was in a mining ship at the time **who did nothing wrong** with your pre-aligned Gnosis from 50k away by sending drones and then warped and docked when I made the slightest movement? Why didn’t you ask me if I want to be shot first? Doesn’t that make you a “bad guy” (in more than one way)? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/95 "2017-11-27T06:39:45Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > tried to shoot my suspect alt who was in a mining ship Did you have a License? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/96 "2017-11-27T06:44:14Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Doesn’t that make you a “bad guy” (in more than one way)? YES! I’m a bad guy for attacking your Procurer (and for NOT attacking your Sleipnir, probably). Finally! I knew you guys would come around. I am a bad guy for trying to ruin your fun . . . just like you’re bad for trying to ruin other people’s fun. See what you’ve done? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/97 "2017-11-27T06:53:12Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Finally! I knew you guys would come around. > > I am a bad guy for trying to ruin your fun . . . just like you’re bad for trying to ruin other people’s fun. See what you’ve done? Can somebody buy Mayhaw a sarcasm meter, apparently his sense of sarcasm was surgically removed. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/98 "2017-11-27T07:00:18Z")
So you warped away to ruin my fun? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/99 "2017-11-27T07:06:56Z")
Apparently he is bad in more ways than one. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/100 "2017-11-27T07:17:16Z")
> [@Mr. Falcon](#): > > Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion . . . ^ The first thing he says in the post. Can we just get CCP’s name out of our mouths? If you don’t like the imposition of moral judgment on your actions in the game, then go play WoW or Call Of Duty. I’ll ask one more time: If he was such a good guy, why did he destroy the newbie’s ship? If you think doing things in EVE is neither good nor bad, then your answer defaults to “He’s not a good guy.” That is the only logically consistent answer without moving the goal posts or special pleading. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/101 "2017-11-27T07:29:11Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Did you have a License? It was a completely sanctioned™ covert-ops-Procurer™ with a expanded probe launcher instead of mining lasers to do the Saviour’s work and root out bot-aspirant behaviour in the local miner population (which was reduced to 0, 5min before the mentioned incident). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650.md?page=6)