# There are some good people around here **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 25, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650 "2017-11-25T15:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/122 "2017-12-06T11:17:03Z")
YOU were ignoring ME, and you were trying to get some sort of space restraining order against me or something. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If he was such a good guy, why did he destroy [the original poster’s ship]? ^ Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Wallfacer\_Ribeiro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wallfacer_ribeiro/32/40376_2.png) [@Wallfacer\_Ribeiro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wallfacer_Ribeiro)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/123 "2017-12-06T12:49:18Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > PS. sent 50 mil to OP cause I wanted to, so Will you marry me? Please… ---
**Author:** ![Shallanna\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shallanna_yassavi/32/449714_2.png) [@Shallanna\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shallanna_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/124 "2017-12-06T13:16:21Z")
EVE is a game with a lot of PvP in it, and it’s in its very late lifecycle. Spawn -\> die -\> repeat is not a cycle most people will find fun, but it is a pattern which will emerge in just about every game with a PvP component. The natural progression of PvP is the worst enemy of any PvP game. EVE has survived a long time because there are a lot of other mechanics to play with which don’t involve repeatedly smacking your head against a brick wall. He’s hoping you’ll buy a new ship so he can shoot it down. Same with the messages some people send to newbies explaining nicely how they were caught: it’s not altruism, it’s self-interest. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/125 "2017-12-06T13:41:31Z")
Aye Many good people around. Somewhat sad tho that many of us are deemed as “bad players” because of what we do ingame (in my case people think I’m a bad evil player because of what they think I do, which I don’t do 😀) ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/126 "2017-12-06T15:33:29Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If he was such a good guy, why did he destroy you? > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > ^ Any thoughts? Well yeah. We’ve established that this is a game about destroying spaceships. You called it an opinion but you were incorrect, it is a fact. I assume you think someone who “kills” one of your chess pieces is also a bad person? Basically it’s stupid to pretend that someone blowing you up in a PvP game about blowing things up is a big bad meanie. It’s literally the same as losing at chess, or tennis. If you find yourself resenting someone purely for beating you, it’s probably you who is the monster (the green eyed one). ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/127 "2017-12-06T15:54:32Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > It’s literally the same as losing at chess, or tennis While I agree with your overall sentiments, I don’t agree with these analogies, and perhaps more importantly I am sure the people with the ‘_he killed me therefore he is a bad person_’ mentality don’t either, and therein lies the problem. Chess, the sole objective is to beat your opponent, who is clearly your opponent, he that _must_ be defeated. Tennis, the sole objective is to beat your opponent, who is clearly your opponent, he that _must_ be defeated. Clear cut. No alternatives. One option, one outcome. _Two men enter, one man leaves._ ![Eh0Zucs](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/7/475c7fb44af03f31a5565889c8a6d1346d6d75bd.jpg) Where the problem starts with people who cannot get their heads around PvP combat they don’t wish to be involved in despite being in a PvP environment is the fact that ‘you didn’t _have_ to kill them’. The choice to do so is then taken as an indication that you are a bad person. You could have flown past. You could have tiptoed through the daffodils together. You could have [insert other thing you could have done here]. Point is, there are multiple outcomes other than two men enter, one man leaves. However, beyond establishing that, I in no way, shape or form believe that taking _any_ of the options available in an always on PvP environment makes anyone a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/128 "2017-12-06T15:57:55Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > YOU were ignoring ME I would never do such a thing! Mayhaw It’s me, Your Patti x 💏 > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > you were trying to get some sort of space restraining order against me There is no such thing as a ‘space restraining order’. I think you are having trouble distinguishing in game actions from out of game actions, having problems with distinguishing fantasy from reality: > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If he was such a good guy, why did he destroy you? Like this ^ > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If he was such a good guy, why did he destroy [the original poster’s ship]? And this^ If you read through my previous responses to your nonsense in other threads you would see that your attitude is ‘nonsensical’ because if one applies your ‘logic’ coherently one is left with no games at all ,no monopoly, no whist etc. **The equation** X is bad in real life GameB lets a player do X without breaking the rules of the game X is ‘bad’ irl (for instance blowing up an ‘innocent’ spaceship) PersonG does X in game, Mayhaw does not PersonG is bad ‘in game’ THEREFORE PersonG is bad IRL **IS FALSE** **As is the following equation** : X is bad in real life GameB lets a player do X without breaking the rules of the game X is ‘bad’ irl (for instance blowing up an ‘innocent’ spaceship) PersonG does X in game, Mayhaw does not PersonG is bad ‘in game’ THEREFORE PersonG is bad IRL THEREFORE **_Mayhaw is good irl_** (an equation on which you sustain yourself like a lonely badger left licking the dried remains of its dead mothers milk from her rotten teet) **IF I COULD PHOTOSHOP** **THIS GIFF WOULD SAY:** **_LETS GET MORGANAZIZED_** ![when-i-loose-playing-cards-table-flip-francis-plays-magic](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/6/76e42de590675c0c78213f39a19a89d64588b39f.gif) **_in rainbow letters_** and yes, OP, there are some good people here ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/129 "2017-12-06T16:40:47Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > in my case people think I’m a bad evil player because of what they think I do, which I don’t do No, we think that of you because you post like an \*\*\*hole spewing \*\*\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/130 "2017-12-06T16:59:27Z")
Just because my views are not the same as yours, doesn’t make me “a bad and evil” player lol And I could say the same of you, times 2 ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/131 "2017-12-06T18:30:38Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No, we think that of you because you post like . . . It’s only a game forum. It’s not a real forum. Did I do it right? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/132 "2017-12-06T18:38:34Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > We’ve established that this is a game about destroying spaceships. Then why is there mining? Why are there “skills” and Festival Launchers and pretty lights all around when I undock? What does a Super Kerr-Induced Nanoetching have to do with PVP? ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/133 "2017-12-06T18:49:10Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Then why is there mining? Why are there “skills” and Festival Launchers and pretty lights all around when I undock? What does a Super Kerr-Induced Nanoetching have to do with PVP? I love how you think you just burned me 🙂 I bet you always feel like that when you post, for the first few seconds. There is mining because the economy requires fresh materials to replace **the stuff that got blown up**. If there were no stuff getting blown up there would be no mining because nobody would want your ore now that it’s worthless. We all function to keep this great machine running, and it **ONLY** runs when stuff is being blown up. EvE is categorically a game about blowing stuff up, rebuilding it and doing it again. Surely you are not so short sighted as to think mining is separate from this? or PI? or anything? Your position that if you can point out one thing (SKINS) that are not PvP based (they are PvP based since you can fight over them in space and they cause conflict) then by rights EvE must not be about blowing things up. The reality is that EvE is a game about destroying stuff, and everything that comes along with it (replacing the stuff that gets blown up / buying new stuff to blow up or get blown up). Your butt-hurt is approaching a magnitude not seen in a good while. Perhaps you should take up a less challenging game or at least one that isn’t about destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/134 "2017-12-06T18:49:46Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > there are some good people here But how can we know that if all we have to draw conclusions are the IN-GAME actions of the player? Are you saying we can determine whether they are good, but not whether they are bad, based on what they do in an always-on PVP sandbox environment? ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/135 "2017-12-06T18:52:18Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > But how can we know that if all we have to draw conclusions are the IN-GAME actions of the player? Are you saying we can determine whether they are good, but not whether they are bad, based on what they do in an always-on PVP sandbox environment? Quite obviously not. The only sane way to look at it, is to separate someone’s in game actions from their real life persona as much as is possible within the game rules. You must immerse yourself in the new world and accept that in some games the objective is to beat someone else. Don’t be a sore looser when that person is you and you won’t get thoroughly abused on the forums when you whine about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/136 "2017-12-06T21:51:18Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > The only sane way to look at it, is to separate someone’s in game actions from their real life persona as much as is possible within the game rules. Okay, so there’s other ways to look at it. Buy some of those ways are just insane. That’s an interesting assertion to make. I look forward to your supporting it. Is it the people who are insane for believing otherwise? Is that what you’re claiming? That’s pretty broadly categorizing if it is. > [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > . . . in some games the objective is to beat someone else. And why is that the case in EVE? > [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > Don’t be a sore looser Just a hypothetical question, but let’s say I WAS a sore loser. Does that make me insane? > [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > abused on the forums when you whine Can you point out an instance of this “abuse”? Do you mean space abused? You seem to be casting a lot of judgement on both the player that is “butt hurt” and on the person who is abusive. I just want to make sure you’re not insane. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/137 "2017-12-06T21:54:29Z")
It’s not _your views_ per se, it’s how you _present it_ forms peoples opinion about yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/138 "2017-12-06T21:57:52Z")
It always amazes me that people would spend one minute more playing a game they loudly proclaim to despise or post on it’s forums. People are strange. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/139 "2017-12-06T22:50:04Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Is it the people who are insane for believing [that a person who wins at a game is a bad person] ? Is that what you’re claiming? Literally yes. Insane. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > And why is that the case in EVE? (that the objective is to beat someone else) Because otherwise you’re going nowhere. EvE is a PvP game. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Can you point out an instance of this “abuse”? Do you mean space abused? You seem to be casting a lot of judgement on both the player that is “butt hurt” and on the person who is abusive. I just want to make sure you’re not insane. I mean forum abused, if that were a phrase. You can find examples under most of your butt-hurt posts. I’m one of the abusers but there have been others. In this case despite the divergance from the dictionary meaning I think the abuse was justified. Whether it continues to be depends on your ability to grasp that games aren’t something to get upset over, and that if you do you shouldn’t be playing them. ---
**Author:** ![Aston\_Martin\_DB5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aston_martin_db5/32/394818_2.png) [@Aston\_Martin\_DB5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aston_Martin_DB5)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/140 "2017-12-07T03:45:20Z")
Best place to join as a new member is Pandemic Horde. Talk to an officer to get hooked up with items, ships, and skill books. Great opportunity for PI, mining, and anomaly hunting with excellent isk to spend on pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650/141 "2017-12-07T07:37:15Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Are you saying we can determine whether they are good, but not whether they are bad, based on what they do in an always-on PVP sandbox environment? No I am saying that within the context of any game markers like good and bad are relative to the ruleset of that game within the game Not that actions taken within a game have no moral value at all Cheating in monopoly against the rules cheating in monopoly bad irl unless you play with Johns family they all cheat its part of their game their family rules they are all tax collectors and accountants in Johns family so when they play monopoly they enjoy ‘pretending to be cheats’ if you play monopoly with John’s family and you steal from the bank this is not cheating irl, so you are not bad irl but it is still bad in game (that’s why they like it in John’s family, they like to pretend to be cheats, as they are all tax colectors irl) Blowing up a space ship ‘in game’ in a game about blowing up space ships no more makes a person ‘bad’ than buying all the properties in monopoly and charging high rents to bust their opponents, would make a person ‘bad’, even though behaving in this way irl _might be_ seen in a negative way by some people. If you play with John’s family, you can steal from the bank etc, if caught you don’t ‘get away with it’, half their fun is from cheating, the other half from catching each other cheating, so it is cheating… but it is not ‘cheating’ so with John’s family even to break the rules would not be bad irl. However… If you play with John’s family and break the rule ‘don’t be a sore loser’ and cry and complain when you lose that would be bad irl, as that is against their rules You would not be invited back. This is all very basic stuff it is the difference between play/real what is a game? EDIT: Have a think about this game and its rules Now try to think what kind of actions a person can commit in _this game_ (forums also part of game, covered by EULA) that would make them a bad person _irl_ Now look at yourself Look at the OP He said he was ‘blown up’ but discovered ‘There are some good people around here’ because the guy who blew him up ‘in game’ was actualy a good guy ‘irl’ and helped him out ‘in game’ To this you said > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If he was such a good guy, why did he destroy you? Which demonstrates your confusion He destroyed him _because he was a good guy_ this is normal _in the context of this game_ If we played paintball and you had been saving all month to play your main treat for yourself I go with you but spend the whole day knocking the gun out of your hand because ‘shooting is bad’ and ruin your game who is bad irl, you who shoots paintballs in a game of paintball or me, ruining your game by not understanding its a game and applying irl morality to justify ruining your game? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-good-people-around-here/41650.md?page=8)