# There is already a Covid19 Vaccine, What's your opinion about it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [December 12, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008 "2020-12-12T13:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/63 "2021-02-12T19:00:28Z")
What you Merin expect is that people will adjust to you, risking loss of life and health, just to reduce the risk, which should be really minimal … ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/64 "2021-02-12T19:01:32Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > What you Merin expect is that people will adjust to you, risking loss of life and health, just to reduce the risk, which should be really minimal I expect that people will do the right thing based on solid science and understanding of risk analysis, not screaming “OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN VACCINES ARE SO SCARY”. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/65 "2021-02-12T19:02:34Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > and did you measure them? and complications after vaccination? I and my wife have been vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine. Weighed the risks and looked at the side effects. First shot = sore arm for a couple of days Second shot = chills, fever, felt like crap for a day (My wife two days) My wife works in a hospital and was talking to a doctor about how bad she felt, and was concerned how the elderly in some nursing homes would feel. He said they had hardly any adverse reactions in the elderly. It looked to him as if the healthier you were the stronger the side effects were. In other words a stronger immune system creates a stronger reaction when creating the antibodies. I’ll do what I can to help lessen the severity of this disease. The same as my parents did when they had me get a polio vaccine. You may not of heard of polio since it has been virtually eliminated do to vaccines. If you don’t want to get vaccinated then that is your decision. Based on the science and data we have it is not a well thought out decision. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/66 "2021-02-12T19:02:35Z")
No, you go right ahead and get vaccinated. I, however, will not be. I do not have any interaction with elderly or sick people, nor do I have interaction with children. I live in a rural area, and have my groceries delivered to my garage. Outside of zoom, phone calls, video games, or discord, I have very little contact with the outside world. This is by design. I have seen too much in my life, and suffer from PTSD, so I keep my distance from humanity. I do, however, have 7 dogs. I love them dearly. I doubt i’ll get covid from them, and I doubt they will spread covid to other people. There is a 10 foot chainlink fence around the 5 acres around the house, and dense woods on the surrounding 22 acres. From there, it is mostly farm land, with my nearest neighbor over half a mile away. Again, by design. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/67 "2021-02-12T19:03:20Z")
How do you know that the risk of getting sick after getting vaccinated is greater than the risk of complications from being vaccinated? how did you calculate it? I have never said anywhere that I do not want to be vaccinated ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/68 "2021-02-12T19:04:16Z")
you seem to misunderstand what sociopathy is. I have a conscience, therefore I am not a sociopath. I’m just an a hole. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/69 "2021-02-12T19:04:31Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > I, however, will not be. Then you are a covidiot who doesn’t understand risk analysis or disease transmission. Even if you confine yourself to your house the risks you create if/when you do interact with other people are far greater than the negligible risk of getting the vaccine. > you seem to misunderstand what sociopathy is. I understand perfectly well what a sociopath is and you are one. You proudly brag about how you have no sense of empathy and don’t care about others except when they are useful to you. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/70 "2021-02-12T19:05:03Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > I hope they have wonderful lives. I also hope they live long enough to benefit from the proposed therapies and medications designed to extend their lives. Hopefully someone cares enough about the people creating those therapies…otherwise your f…ed ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/71 "2021-02-12T19:06:54Z")
Well look at you. You care deeply about people you’ll never meet? So how much time and resources do you give to habitat for humanity, the salvation army, the peace corps… i could go on. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/72 "2021-02-12T19:07:25Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > How do you know that the risk of getting sick after getting vaccinated is greater than the risk of complications from being vaccinated? > > how did you calculate it? You calculate it in the safety trials that are done before a vaccine is approved. And those trials have found that the risk of getting covid post-vaccine is low, and the risk of non-trivial complications is negligible\*. \*Except for one vaccine where there’s an allergy risk involving one of the ingredients, but it is easily avoided by getting one of the other versions. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/73 "2021-02-12T19:08:45Z")
To be fair, I don’t honestly care about the people creating the therapies or medication I am invested in. I care about results, as all investors do. I am sure the people involved take whatever precautions they deem necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/74 "2021-02-12T19:09:16Z")
if the risk of getting sick is so low why do you mind if someone doesn’t want to be vaccinated? is your fear more important than his? I understand that before introducing the covid vaccine, many years of experiments were carried out, which showed that it is as safe as possible ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/75 "2021-02-12T19:14:58Z")
“covidiot”? you people made up a term for people that wont follow your instructions? Interesting. I do understand risk analysis and disease transmission. I also understand the circumstances of my own life, and how very little interaction I have with humans, outside of virtual communications. I create no risk, because I do not contract covid. I can’t pass it if I don’t have it. Weird, I know. I do have a sense of empathy. I just limit it to those I know and care about. I simply can’t care about everyone on earth. It just doesn’t work. I signed up for war when I did care about everyone. I lost a lot of Really good people along the way. After that, before I learned, I became a corrections officer. I thought I was protecting people. I’ve since learned my limitations, and I focus on those I have an actual connection with. This is as intended by my therapist, and I feel it works just great. The people I care about, and care about me, receive my love and affection, and everyone else leaves me alone. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/76 "2021-02-12T19:16:19Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > No, you go right ahead and get vaccinated. I did, and truly I am sorry for whatever suffering you went through. We don’t agree on a lot of things but such is life. You choose to isolate yourself, and there is nothing wrong with that. I prefer to be “by myself” in many ways, but I have a lot of empathy towards other humans and I realize that what I do touches more people than I will ever know. But what do I know. I’m just one of those old bastards who’s going to die anyway. Though I am intrigued by David Sinclair’s ideas ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/77 "2021-02-12T19:16:21Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > if the risk of getting sick is so low why do you mind if someone doesn’t want to be vaccinated? Because I understand the concepts of risk analysis and disease transmission. 95% immunity is still a 5% chance of failure, and that 5% quickly becomes significant when applied to large groups of people. And having non-vaccinated people allows the disease to spread unchecked, meaning that more people are rolling the dice on their 95% immunity. This is an unacceptable situation when getting the vaccine is effectively zero risk. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/78 "2021-02-12T19:16:48Z")
that is factually untrue. These vaccines were created, tested, and approved for emergency use within 1 year. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/79 "2021-02-12T19:18:11Z")
Just be healthy enough to survive another 20 years or so. You might find that it’s possible to become biologically immortal. The upside to becoming immortal, of course, is that we don’t lose more EvE players to old age. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/80 "2021-02-12T19:18:54Z")
and how did you calculate the risk of loss of health and life after the vaccine? since such research requires many years of tests and observations that have not been carried out you demand sacrifice from others just to feel better ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/81 "2021-02-12T19:19:02Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > “covidiot”? you people made up a term for people that wont follow your instructions? A term describing people who refuse to follow the advice given by the experts in the field because they’re selfish assholes. > I do understand risk analysis and disease transmission. You really don’t, given your posts here. > I do have a sense of empathy. “I do have a sense of empathy, I just don’t care about anyone I don’t have a personal stake in.” By that standard it’s fine for me to drive drunk, since who cares if I kill someone I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/82 "2021-02-12T19:20:42Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > you demand sacrifice from others just to feel better I demand no such thing. Getting the vaccine is not a sacrifice. > These vaccines were created, tested, and approved for emergency use within 1 year. Yep. Turns out that when you write a blank check for R&D expenses you can get things done much faster than when you have to care about minimizing costs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008.md?page=5)