# There is already a Covid19 Vaccine, What's your opinion about it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [December 12, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008 "2020-12-12T13:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/143 "2021-02-12T22:50:21Z")
It doesn’t particularly surprise me that you’d refuse the information available. If the CDC says it’s ok, it must be ok. Doesn’t matter that other sources reference more than a hundred peer reviewed articles. They’re in the habit of regularly taking ingredients out for no apparent reason. It’s normal, and has nothing to do with statements issued by their leaders, or any peer reviewed studies. It appears we’re at an impasse. You resort to multiple attempts to insult, refuse information, and generally express a sense of superiority. I’m glad you’re the test monkey, and not me. In 10 years, maybe 15, if it comes out that you develop serious issues from being a willing lab rat, I won’t feel particularly sorry for you. If, on the other hand, in 10 to 15 years everything turns out fine and there isn’t any documented risk, I’ll have lost nothing. Since you like being a lab rat, you should check into the hundreds of companies that pay you to have medications injected into your body for testing. Hopefully you don’t become the statistic that provides them with the list of side effects they’re required to publish on all their commercials and ads. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/145 "2021-02-12T23:19:40Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > drinking water and breathing air is the same as a secret experiment known to a few… Both of those things are subject to all kinds of regulations and standards for things like pollution levels. So if you don’t trust the people making risk analysis on what is safe then you can not ever drink water or breathe air. > [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > It doesn’t particularly surprise me that you’d refuse the information available. Well yes, when you post “information” from people on the level of the flat earthers and young earth creationists of course I’m going to refuse it. I want peer reviewed science from experts in the field, not fringe lunatics with clear ideological bias. > I’ll have lost nothing. Only because you have isolated yourself from the world and are apparently incapable of living a normal life. Congratulations, you’re one of the lucky few. Although given how miserable your life sounds I’m not sure why you’re so worried about dying from a vaccine… > Since you like being a lab rat I don’t. I just understand the difference between signing up for an experimental trial and receiving a thoroughly tested vaccine that has passed its safety trials. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/147 "2021-02-12T23:25:35Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > I don’t know why everyone makes such a fuss about a vaccine if you want to be safe wear a mask, wash, sanitize, avoid huge gatherings in public places is still the best most effective way to prevent exposure/spread of the virus. > **[Swiss cheese model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model)** > > The Swiss cheese model of accident causation is a model used in risk analysis and risk management, including aviation safety, engineering, healthcare, emergency service organizations, and as the principle behind layered security, as used in computer security and defense in depth. It likens human systems to multiple slices of Swiss cheese, which has randomly placed and sized holes in each slice, stacked side by side, in which the risk of a threat becoming a reality is mitigated by the differing la... ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/148 "2021-02-12T23:34:52Z")
Oh Merin, you still haven’t given me any rational proof that an unvaccinated person carries more danger to anyone than the vaccine itself… let me tell you a secret… I am more dangerous to society because of the situation in which I find myself than because I am not vaccinated ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/149 "2021-02-12T23:39:16Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > Oh Merin, you still haven’t given me any rational proof that an unvaccinated person carries more danger to anyone than the vaccine itself… The danger of the vaccine is essentially zero, so yes, an unvaccinated person is more of a danger. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/151 "2021-02-12T23:41:15Z")
Interesting. So the fact that over 100 peer reviewed articles are referenced means nothing to you. They’re all liars, and apparently believe earth is flat and/or 5000 years old. They display a bias, so they’re wrong. As opposed to the bias of pharma companies that have a clear financial investment in their product. My life isnt that bad actually. I just have had to learn to insulate myself from certain things. It happens to people that actually Do something in their lives, I suppose. The mind is a fragile thing, when exposed to the true cruelty of humanity. I’d say I’m doing pretty well, given all the circumstances that have brought me here. I own my house, my truck, 30+ acres of land, more than $40,000 in stock, and I was an early investor in bitcoin, so I have a healthy bank account and several savings accounts. I was married for 6 years, visited a lot of places on this planet, got a college education, and have had the time to ponder the implications of a great many things in life. I have a clear understanding of who I am, and what I want out of life. Honestly, that’s better than probably 80% of people on this planet. You don’t like being a lab rat, but you act like one. I suppose you are also a huge advocate for fluoride in water, too. Given that it’s been used in large swaths of the country and world, and that it’s been touted as safe for decades. Though, despite the science that says it’s responsible for a lot of health conditions. The government says it’s good, therefore it must be good. I think I’m ok with ending the conversation here. You’re predictable, because I understand your mindset now. It’s becoming less interesting to engage. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/152 "2021-02-12T23:44:48Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > I guess when you assume that every possible action is being taken then the possibility of an accident becomes very low though not impossible to happen anyways. Exactly. And the vaccine covers a lot of those gaps for things like people who have to work in person and interact with the public. > The model should account for human error and intentional sabotage Why do you think that it doesn’t? Human error is _why_ we want the vaccine. If everyone obeyed instructions perfectly then we would have shut this thing down back in march last year, the point of the vaccine is so that even when people don’t take perfect precautions they don’t get sick and don’t spread the disease further. > [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > They’re all liars, Yep. You’re quoting an article from a group run by a bunch of liars and frauds. An article that sits right next to articles about how 5G causes a long list of unrelated health issues and parroting the same old “vaccines cause autism” theory from a known fraud who was stripped of his medical credentials over his dishonesty. Either provide alternative sources or concede defeat. > As opposed to the bias of pharma companies that have a clear financial investment in their product. Fortunately there are these things called peer review and government approval where we don’t let the companies decide that their own product is safe without further review. The vaccine has been through this process. > You don’t like being a lab rat, but you act like one. Again you fail to understand the difference between experiments and vaccines/treatments that have passed the safety trials. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/154 "2021-02-13T00:13:24Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Fringe anti-vax groups are not legitimate sources Especially RFK Jr ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/155 "2021-02-13T00:16:03Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > yeah!.. drinking water and breathing air is the same as a secret experiment known to a few Ask the people of Flint, Michigan about drinking water ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/156 "2021-02-13T00:19:25Z")
ask Africans about medical experiments ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/157 "2021-02-13T01:04:02Z")
You might not see it as a playstyle, but I see it as a solid tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/159 "2021-02-13T01:26:40Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > has caused about the same amount of deaths as a regular flu every season Um, no. Covid has done way worse than a regular flu. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Solas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_solas/32/376524_2.png) [@John\_Solas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Solas)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/160 "2021-02-13T11:08:51Z")
I want every single person to get it so I can leave my damn house for the first time in 11 months. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/161 "2021-02-13T11:10:00Z")
Hitler would be proud of you, we called the code of ethics after Nuremberg for a reason ---
**Author:** ![John\_Solas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_solas/32/376524_2.png) [@John\_Solas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Solas)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/162 "2021-02-13T11:13:03Z")
That’s a whole lot of crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/163 "2021-02-13T11:13:23Z")
Really? read up on the Nuremberg Code. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/164 "2021-02-13T11:14:57Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > > > has caused about the same amount of deaths as a regular flu every season > > Um, no. Covid has done way worse than a regular flu. The both of you are in serious need of citations. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/165 "2021-02-13T11:15:20Z")
Oh I maintain a database of citations in a section especially for this. Jabref ftw I posted one further up that may interest you I do track papers of interest ---
**Author:** ![John\_Solas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_solas/32/376524_2.png) [@John\_Solas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Solas)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/166 "2021-02-13T11:16:46Z")
Hitler would be proud of everyone getting a vaccine for a deadly virus? What in the hell are you talking about? It’s attitudes like yours that are the reason I’m still stuck inside. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008/167 "2021-02-13T11:17:13Z")
No, he would be proud of tyrannical behaviour like forced against your will, hence the Nuremberg Code came out of WW2. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-is-already-a-covid19-vaccine-whats-your-opinion-about-it/285008.md?page=9)