# This badly written propaganda piece by a CSM member **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865 "2020-07-04T08:49:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/1 "2020-07-04T08:49:43Z")
> [@TorvaldUruz](#): > > o7 /r/Eve > > This is a big year for all of us because hopefully we’ll see a massive, bloody, destructive war. Following this is a statement that all 10 members of the CSM15 agrees on in regards to this upcoming war. > > **TL;DR -** CSM15 collectively agrees that there will be no attempts by any member to influence change that will directly affect the outcome of the war in one’s favor, we will advise CCP on developments that are introduced during the war, and of course we have no control over what CCP implements at what time. > > **Statement of CSM 15 Regarding the Upcoming Nullsec Empire War** > > In preparation for what is widely believed to be the largest nullsec empire vs. empire war in the last 4 years, the members of CSM 15 have issued the following statement: > > Recognizing that the CSM includes representatives from all three major nullsec coalitions as well as independent non-aligned members, and some of those members are senior level decision makers in those coalitions, the CSM met to discuss potential issues in the internal workings of the CSM as a result of this conflict. > > All of the members of CSM 15 are concerned that the implementation of major game changes that could impact the outcome of the war during the upcoming period of hostilities could damage the reputation of the CSM and its relationship with CCP. There already exists in the minds of many players the belief – a false one - that CSM members actively advocate in their own interests rather than the interests of the entire game. > > In order to combat that perception, all of the members of CSM 15 have agreed to the following: > > - The CSM recommends to CCP that they carefully consider the effects of implementing any changes that could lead a reasonable, objective third party player to believe that CCP was attempting to make changes to the game to benefit one or more of the belligerents at the expense of the others. This does not mean, however, that they will recommend CCP stop work on potential game changes that could impact the war, simply that they carefully consider the effects of implementing any changes. > - The CSM takes its duty to represent the players and to advocate for changes that benefit the entirety of New Eden seriously. The goal of this statement is to reassure players that the CSM will not actively use their influence inappropriately and they will do their best to provide CCP with the best advice and feedback they can in an impartial manner. > > As always, final decisions about any changes to the game rest with CCP, and, at best, the CSM provides feedback, guidance, and advice. We look forward to continuing our collaboration with the developers, even while we’re actively blowing each other up in the game. He’s pissing me off. Look at this ■■■■: > There already exists in the minds of many players the belief – a false one - that CSM members actively advocate in their own interests rather than the interests of the entire game. “You’re all wrong. Believe me! Trust me! We care about you!” > The CSM recommends to CCP that they carefully consider the effects of implementing any changes that could lead a reasonable, objective third party player to believe that CCP was attempting to make changes to the game to benefit one or more of the belligerents at the expense of the others. CCP has been shoving polished turds up the nullseccers asses for _years_, until black-out. Now, that they’ve stopped, “suddenly” CCP needs to make sure they’re not implementing things at _the expense of others_. The others they, the nullseccers, _did not give a single flying ■■■■ about_. Now someone will say “Oh but these are different people. It’s a different CSM.”, to which I’ll reply “Three out of ten of the current CSM has no ties to null blocs. ■■■■ off.” > The CSM takes its duty to represent the players and to advocate for changes that benefit the entirety of New Eden seriously. The goal of this statement is to reassure players that the CSM will not actively use their influence inappropriately and they will do their best to provide CCP with the best advice and feedback they can in an impartial manner. Lol, look at this. “I am telling you a lie. The goal of this lie is to make you believe what I want you to believe. Believe it.” Some of his comments in the thread: > This serves to show people that none of the 10 of us are here for our own personal agenda, “Because I say so, it must be true, therefore you must believe it.” ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/8/7805b1b4d2a3ace778a26a6883b3a29014459cbd.png) Oh! So it’s a good thing! THREE out of TEN do not have ties to nullsec! Awesome! Let’s just IGNORE that this means that seven out of ten of the current CSM have ties to null blocs! This shows what he really thinks of us. What a ■■■■■■■ asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/2 "2020-07-04T09:17:18Z")
You released pressure by personal attacks and ranting without one single argument. Now please, kindly ■■■■ off ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/3 "2020-07-04T09:18:12Z")
Arguments? There is no need for _arguments_ of any kind, the CSM member provided everything needed all by himself. If you’re too stupid to understand that, then that’s not _my_ ■■■■■■■ problem. ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/4 "2020-07-04T09:20:22Z")
I’m currently rewatching all 5 series of “The Wire”. Drug gang wars, drug gang co-ops & city hall corruption. The parallels are twistin’ my melon man. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/5 "2020-07-04T09:24:52Z")
Nb4 the 🔒 ---
**Author:** ![Mercurium\_Purum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mercurium_purum/32/331163_2.png) [@Mercurium\_Purum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mercurium_Purum)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/6 "2020-07-04T09:25:27Z")
Remarkable piece of emotional posting, if not a personal attack. You did the CSM member a big fat favor here by adding your amusing comments to his writing. If the CSM, with representatives of all the war parties involved (!), advizes CCP to be careful to not influence the war itself - something CCP was aware of during the Casino wars - why on earth would you have a problem with that ?! Anyway, show us on the doll where … And inb4 lock ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/7 "2020-07-04T09:27:12Z")
> [@Mercurium\_Purum](#): > > Casino wars It’s called _World War Bee_. Spotted the Goon. _(who has no zkill history)_ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/8 "2020-07-04T09:28:25Z")
Sol, you should perhaps chill on this, it is not going to make any difference making a post like this. For many years it was a goal of CCP to push people towards nullsec based on the concept of risk and reward so they could get armies of F1 drones to sate their play as FC’s and strategic gods. However, all that ever did was annoy casual players. There is what I would call over lapping points of interest for many people, gankers wanted less rewards and more risk in hisec while nullsec wanted that too, and casual players were ignored. I just do what I want to do and currently ignore nullsec as much as I am able to. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/9 "2020-07-04T09:31:15Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I just do what I want to do and currently ignore nullsec as much as I am able to. No. Ignorance isn’t Strength. Ignoring this ■■■■■■■■ only helps those who try to fool us. Just look at the post on reddit. It’s a badly written propaganda piece and it’s outright insulting to the intellect of every single EVE player out there. That includes me, you, Dom, even DMC. Look at the Goon above. Of course he comes here to defend this bullcrap of lies and deceit. ---
**Author:** ![Mercurium\_Purum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mercurium_purum/32/331163_2.png) [@Mercurium\_Purum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mercurium_Purum)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/10 "2020-07-04T09:32:39Z")
I wish I were, alas, I’m just a watcher of the Imperium News … with sympathies for the goons, and any other content providers with style. Btw, love your zkillboard, impressive collection of rookie ships and shuttles there. Ur doing great. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/11 "2020-07-04T09:33:51Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > No. Ignorance isn’t Strength. It is not ignorance, I chose to ignore what they are doing and minimise my exposure to them. I understand your feelings however, many people share them, myself included. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Just look at the post on reddit. It’s a badly written propaganda piece > and it’s outright insulting to the intellect of every single EVE player out there. I think that was more to try and deal with what they perceived as a problem that line members were perhaps thinking about. I don’t know, it was pompous and full of itself , but that is how major Eve alliances are. > [@Mercurium\_Purum](#): > > Btw, love your zkillboard, impressive collection of rookie ships and shuttles there. Ur doing great. Is that really necessary? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/12 "2020-07-04T09:34:12Z")
> [@Mercurium\_Purum](#): > > I wish I were, alas, I’m just a watcher of the Imperium News … with sympathies for the goons, and any other content providers with style. “Believe me. I’m not a Goon. They’re just super awesome. Everyone should read their propaganda website.” If you knew me, you’d know that the zkill _of this character_ does not give an accurate representation. In any case, _at least I have one_. ---
**Author:** ![Shuckstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shuckstar/32/415435_2.png) [@Shuckstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shuckstar)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/13 "2020-07-04T09:35:00Z")
CSM is a joke always has been always will be. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/14 "2020-07-04T09:38:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I don’t know, it was pompous and full of itself , but that is how major Eve alliances are. That is how politicians are when they think about everyone else … … as evidenced by his post. Whoever told him to write this piece of ■■■■ either is an idiot … … or had malicious intentions, predicting the outcome observable on reddit. ---
**Author:** ![Mercurium\_Purum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mercurium_purum/32/331163_2.png) [@Mercurium\_Purum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mercurium_Purum)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/15 "2020-07-04T09:42:57Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > If you knew me, you’d know that the zkill _of this character_ does not give an accurate representation. Eve is full of mystery isn’t it… You accuse a bystander with an opinion to be a goon for using the term ‘casino war’ which is not exclusively used by the Imperium or CFC or whatever they call themselves, point out that she doesn’t have a “reputation” because of an empty zkill page, are shaken by being exposed as a rookie killer on occasion. You’re funny. And oh so wrong in everything you wrote on this page. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/16 "2020-07-04T10:01:59Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-badly-written-propaganda-piece-by-a-csm-member/252865/17 "2020-07-04T10:02:28Z")
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