# This Forum is about the slow mining speed of Orca. Please have a look at this for a second (All Miners) **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [January 2, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472 "2020-01-02T05:03:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/61 "2020-03-08T10:39:21Z")
You misunderstood. I’m all for mining implants, I’m just saying that hardly anyone would use them. Miners are some of the most risk averse players in the game. They can’t even be bothered to be at the keyboard most of the time, and whine about gankers, bumpers, Trigs, etc… You think they are actually going to be willing to risk not only their ship but their implants as well while they are off in the next room rubbing one out to Blanche from the Golden Girls on Netflix? Those implants would make sense for someone actually at the keyboard, actively mining and doing the fleet boost thing, but your average miner won’t use them. ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/62 "2020-03-08T10:43:51Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > But noone should ask for them to be good at combat, if their role is not for that. You make no sense at all really. > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Same with Orcas. They are not ships that should mine, they are ships that should command. If a player uses them for mining, he should get worse results compared to actual mining ships. Then roquals should be stripped from all drones as well. Then all ships should be stripped from all drone capabilites besides drone carriers because they are not droneboat, therefore should not be allowed to use drones. Then we should go back 15 years in time and play vanilla eve. This guy… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/63 "2020-03-08T10:46:20Z")
> [@Amos\_Tyrell](#): > > Then all ships should be stripped from all drone capabilites besides drone carriers because they are not droneboat, therefore should not be allowed to use drones. They are allowed to use drones. They are not, however, allowed to use drones as effectively as droneboats. And that we see already. You can make a combat Covetor, but it would perform poorly in combat. Is it fair, maybe combat abilities of Covetor should be boosted? ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/64 "2020-03-08T10:46:21Z")
I’m a miner, and I would use them. You would use them, and I’m pretty sure there are a couple of thousand players out there who would be glad to have the option to use them as well. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/65 "2020-03-08T10:49:12Z")
I’m sure some miners would use them, but that also means that the AFK trash miners will make use of them as well, and I’d like to get rid of as many of those types of players as possible… ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/66 "2020-03-08T10:50:27Z")
But you wrote and I quote: > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Orcas should not mine at all, they are support ships. You are contradicting yourself. Orca is a mining ship as much as standard battlecruiser and nighthawk etc. is a combat ship. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/67 "2020-03-08T10:52:17Z")
You know as well as I do that the Orca is not, and was never intended to be, a mining ship. That is not it’s purpose. It is a FLEET support ship that cannot fit mining lasers and just so happens to have a bonus to mining drones… ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/68 "2020-03-08T10:53:42Z")
Same as with the roqual and yet it is the king of the mining ships. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/69 "2020-03-08T10:54:06Z")
> [@Amos\_Tyrell](#): > > Orca is a mining ship Orca is a mining ship as much as logistics ships deal damage. ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/70 "2020-03-08T10:54:51Z")
I can only repeat myself. Orca is a mining ship as much as a roqual is a mining ship. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/71 "2020-03-08T10:55:51Z")
> [@Amos\_Tyrell](#): > > Orca is a mining ship as much as a roqual is a mining ship. Which means that both aren’t, right? ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/72 "2020-03-08T10:57:13Z")
what? 🙂 That means they both are. You are just trolling now. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/73 "2020-03-08T10:57:53Z")
The Rorqual is also not a solo mining ship. That is not it’s intended purpose. That’s what it gets used for, but that’s not it’s purpose… ---
**Author:** ![diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamond_milo_jomitos/32/197736_2.png) [@diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/diamond_milo_jomitos)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/74 "2020-03-08T11:02:44Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Orcas should not mine at all, they are support ships. Then remove guns from ECM, logi, command destroyers, etc ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/75 "2020-03-08T11:05:16Z")
Those three examples you listed are also intended to be used in fleet scenarios, not solo, just like the Orca… ---
**Author:** ![diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamond_milo_jomitos/32/197736_2.png) [@diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/diamond_milo_jomitos)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/76 "2020-03-08T11:06:50Z")
One more reason to remove their weapons then ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/77 "2020-03-08T11:08:54Z")
It’s purpose is what it’s bonuses and stats state. What CCP made it’s purpose. Since those ships stats state that they have bonuses for mining therefore they are mining vessels. Since it is established that they are mining vessels, it should be considered at all times as a mining vessels and I see no reason being hooked up and argue against something which is a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/78 "2020-03-08T11:10:23Z")
Yes all of them. Drones too. ---
**Author:** ![diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamond_milo_jomitos/32/197736_2.png) [@diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/diamond_milo_jomitos)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/79 "2020-03-08T11:10:47Z")
> [@Amos\_Tyrell](#): > > It’s purpose is what it’s bonuses and stats state. What CCP made it’s purpose. I agree and I even go further: its purpose is what I want then to be, if I want to mine in a frigate , then a frigate it is ---
**Author:** ![Amos\_Tyrell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amos_tyrell/32/190753_2.png) [@Amos\_Tyrell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amos_Tyrell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/80 "2020-03-08T11:12:45Z")
> [@diamond\_milo\_jomitos](#): > > I agree and I even go further: its purpose is what I want then to be, if I want to mine in a frigate , then a frigate it is Amen brother! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472.md?page=5)