# This Forum is about the slow mining speed of Orca. Please have a look at this for a second (All Miners) **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [January 2, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472 "2020-01-02T05:03:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/101 "2020-03-09T10:33:56Z")
Can get up to 5 scouts. But an Orca can take them. Of course so can a Skiff, a Porpoise should also and a combat proc probably can even. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/102 "2020-03-09T10:36:47Z")
Yeah, actually I remember well seeing more numerous squads, on the citadels. ---
**Author:** ![partyinmypants](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/partyinmypants/32/186507_2.png) [@partyinmypants](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/partyinmypants)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/103 "2020-03-09T13:19:43Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > That only makes sense if you are in a triglavian invaded system > > Actually, roaming Triglavians outside of invasion systems might be a bit bigger than 3 ships (I clearly remember 4 one time). and will be larger soon too with additions of warp disrupting to the mix ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/104 "2020-03-09T13:20:06Z")
> [@partyinmypants](#): > > with additions of warp disrupting to the mix Any sources? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/105 "2020-03-09T13:21:06Z")
Plain BS, as always. ---
**Author:** ![partyinmypants](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/partyinmypants/32/186507_2.png) [@partyinmypants](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/partyinmypants)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/106 "2020-03-09T13:22:34Z")
Botting Geten always against game improvements as always. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/107 "2020-03-09T13:24:29Z")
see. BS, and BS again. ---
**Author:** ![diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamond_milo_jomitos/32/197736_2.png) [@diamond\_milo\_jomitos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/diamond_milo_jomitos)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/108 "2020-03-09T14:11:25Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > In that case, I want the mass and base speed of the Machariel to be doubled so I can use it for it’s non-intended purpose of punting AFK Orcas even farther out of the ore belt… i didnt say the frigate would need to be modified. i said I would adapt to the frigate mechanics and stats.. so y should do the same to your mach ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/109 "2020-03-10T14:25:40Z")
How about this: - Increase the ore hold by 25%, increase the mining bonus for drones by 3%, decrease the fleet hanger to the size to that of a jet can and have the drones only drop the ore into the fleet hanger. Mining yield up, ore storage up - it 's a win win - the only people who could object to this would be the AFK miners. It should be no different than the process a Rorq pilot + Hulk gang goes through, tho most of the Orcas I see mining don’t have any barges with them anyway - so no harm no foul. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/110 "2020-03-10T14:35:38Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > have the drones only drop the ore into the fleet hanger Not all ships, even not all mining ones, have a fleet hangar. Would drones drop the ore into a normal hold for them? Or still into the ore hold, which then would raise a question why it is not so for Orcas? Note that I am not an AFK miner. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/111 "2020-03-10T14:59:06Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > Mining yield up, ore storage up - it 's a win win - the only people who could object to this would be the AFK miners. I don’t like the mining yield up. The orca is already a good mining ship. This would make the proc/skiff completely useless. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/112 "2020-03-10T15:12:14Z")
Yes, drone would only use the fleet hanger if it was available (\*excavators would still do the ore hold thing but a Rorq with drones would have them feed the fleet hanger) > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > which then would raise a question why it is not so for Orcas? In this thread people have taken pains to explain that the Orca is a command ship than can use drones to mine. - If you wanted to be pedantic you could say the miners Ore hanger acts like a fleet hanger without the sharing - To make everything fit nicely into some mining schema, add the ability to share the miners ore hold & then Orca pilot could drag ore from them - an extreme change when the proposal was to put off AFK miners. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/113 "2020-03-10T15:15:42Z")
Yield would still be less than a proc/skiff, yet the Orca would be a better mining ship. Unfortunately you couldn’t easily AFK mine… but then I don’t really about care that… Do you ? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/114 "2020-03-10T15:24:01Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > but then I don’t really about care that… Do you ? unrelated. I’m saying that the yield of a single orca(24.8 m³/s ATM) should be lower than the yield of a single unboosted proc(25.6 m³/s). ATM proc is higher than orca by 3.2% It’s very close and they should not change. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/115 "2020-03-10T16:23:03Z")
Fair enough - no yield change then Related: Orca fleets you see in high sec exist because they require the minimum user interaction and are hard to gank with a profit - Ideal for AFK mining - This change was suggested to combat the AKF mining ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/116 "2020-03-10T16:45:12Z")
While it would combat afk mining it’s an arbitrary complication that will simply confuse people as it follows different rules to the rest of the game. Also note your change makes DSTs great afk miners. There are far easier ways to combat afk than confusing rules changes that aren’t consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/117 "2020-03-10T17:02:30Z")
I wouldn’t say DST would make great AFK miners No drone bonus + lot less tank ( remember one advantage of the Orca is that it costs a lot to gank one, DST would be easy to kill ) . ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/118 "2020-03-10T21:23:33Z")
But if it goes into the fleet hanger first now the DST has a huge mining bay. Law of unintended consequences. You can’t just mess with the rules for the sake of one thing without breaking others. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/119 "2020-03-10T21:48:00Z")
and it has a paper thin tank and it’s low mining yield makes it not suitable for AFK mining. So you said there was a better way to combat the fleets of AFK mining Orcas roaming belts in Hi-Sec - What was it? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472/120 "2020-03-10T21:51:03Z")
Paper thin? DST’s have 300k + EHP. I can get a shiny one up to like 800k EHP… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-about-the-slow-mining-speed-of-orca-please-have-a-look-at-this-for-a-second-all-miners/209472.md?page=7)