# This forum is brutal **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 1, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437 "2021-04-01T14:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/442 "2021-04-02T11:11:43Z")
All drones should have a non-zero chance of going rogue every time they are launched ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/443 "2021-04-02T11:13:01Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > No smoke without fire. True. But make it easy on yourself. Instead of hitting your head against the wall about something so trivial as someone messing with you ( and I understand that he might have written something that really rubbed you the wrong way ) how about just knowing what you _think_ is true about him and be satisfied with that? What more do you want? What more can anybody do short of ISD banning him? Then once that’s done, who else should also be banned? You? Me? How many “trolls” until the forum is empty and the site closes? Let it go. **that’s** healthy. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/444 "2021-04-02T11:13:28Z")
The Felis Catus based AI in action. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/445 "2021-04-02T11:20:42Z")
I like this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/446 "2021-04-02T11:21:51Z")
It’s kinda like a kumbaya circle with loaded guns, isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/447 "2021-04-02T11:22:14Z")
445 posts and it’s not locked yet, woo-hoo! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/448 "2021-04-02T11:25:22Z")
I very much think they (drones) should (go rogue). Also you should be able to put a bomb in a can that explodes if not opened by the owning pilot/corp/alliance. It should also make the can either white or blue to everyone, but SAFETY settings remain unchanged (ie you can tell its a booby if you have GREEN set and it wont open) Sure even make it hackable to have Bomb Disposal specialists ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/449 "2021-04-02T11:33:33Z")
> [@Ka\_lah](#): > > 445 posts and it’s not locked yet, woo-hoo! Welcome to the ‘ISD protect us’ club. ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/450 "2021-04-02T11:39:17Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Welcome to the ‘ISD protect us’ club. Sorry, I don’t understand your post. What do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Hadrian\_Tobran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hadrian_tobran/32/373681_2.png) [@Hadrian\_Tobran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hadrian_Tobran)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/451 "2021-04-02T11:43:02Z")
The lack of the threat of violence is what is actually wrong. But you’re welcome to think what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/452 "2021-04-02T11:47:22Z")
> [@Hadrian\_Tobran](#): > > you’re welcome to think what you want. As long as I have your permission cool. You realise that means whomever exerts the most violence sets what politeness is? And that then changes when they are leaned on by a larger force? ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/453 "2021-04-02T11:47:40Z")
> [@Hadrian\_Tobran](#): > > The lack of the threat of violence is what is actually wrong. But you’re welcome to think what you want. Just beat them into submission, hey? What happens when someone weighs twice as much as you, is a Navy Seal and throws a real bad insult at you? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/454 "2021-04-02T11:50:33Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Also you should be able to put a bomb in a can that explodes if not opened by the owning pilot/corp/alliance. It should also make the can either white or blue to everyone, but SAFETY settings remain unchanged (ie you can tell its a booby if you have GREEN set and it wont open) > > Sure even make it hackable to have Bomb Disposal specialists Ohh nice! And if someone shoots the can, it also explodes and triggers all other bombs in the explosion radius! ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/455 "2021-04-02T11:51:06Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I like this thread. For lack of forum heart I give you ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/456 "2021-04-02T12:05:53Z")
Forum PvP is the endgame content ---
**Author:** ![Ivicek\_Grikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivicek_grikov/32/251454_2.png) [@Ivicek\_Grikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivicek_Grikov)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/457 "2021-04-02T12:15:03Z")
> [@Ka\_lah](#): > > This forum. My God. You all are brutal in your arguments with each other. I’m not used to online forum ( never owned a computer before and never had a real good phone ) so maybe all the forum are like this one but by God you all are so insulting to each other. HTFU or GTFO! ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/458 "2021-04-02T12:37:44Z")
> [@Ka\_lah](#): > > I doubt that statement. Out of thousands of players? That statement is doomed to be wrong. Let’s be reasonable. I think you might not be very familiar with the word significant. That could be 10 to 15 percent who truly are. Regardless, the quest for “salt” is a very, very common theme here. > [@Ka\_lah](#): > > Why not they’re just playing the game as intended by CCP? It seems to me at least some of the developers intended EVE to be a game for sadists/ griefers. Those may have just been very clever folks who could see that ideas meant to protect players could actually be used by griefers and trolls to great effect and favored those. Consider the free corvette. I know a guy who ganks using those and successfully too. They are also used to pull Concord and clear kill rights and pretend to be a noob while scouting targets and more I am sure. But I tell you what…you just made the “Just doing my job!” excuse. And it gets made a lot here. But consider this; slaughterhouse employees have high turn over rates. Why? Because people with empathy begin to hate themselves for all the pain, suffering and death they cause “doing their job”. Who stays on long? People with no empathy, or worse, people who enjoy it. I believe gankers also have high turnover rates. Eventually all that anger and frustration they caused, and know they caused via angry chat and forum exchanges, makes them sick of themselves. Those who just keep doing it though, laughing all the way…you got to wonder about them. > [@Ka\_lah](#): > > You must have listened to too much Bill Burr. He’s overrated in my opinion. And fyi, he’s married now so all his cute stuff on women…yeah. I don’t listen him all that much, but I do like him. Both genders have their faults. The trouble is that most modern western women refuse to accept theirs, and that is what makes Bill Burr funny. He speaks the truth most men are now too scared to speak. But of course not all women have that particular fault. Bill Burr’s wife probably doesn’t. > [@Ka\_lah](#): > > . I don’t think the ISD care one way or the other. They’re here to make sure the children don’t hurt each other. Forum moderators are not robots. Not here, not anywhere. Their motives for what they do are their own. Its the same with any authority and any police force. Never assume those with powers are there to do an honest job and be fair to all. Those types are rare. Always remember those are people, and people are corruptable. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You will find in your time here that obvious trolls are not only tolerated, but given extra leeway. The trouble with the food fight analogy is that the teacher did not just walk in. The teacher can review surveillance video of the entire event and so can you for a time. We know what happened. We see obvious trolling and rule violating posts left there. And we know justice was not done. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/459 "2021-04-02T12:42:48Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > at least some of the developers intended EVE to be a game for sadists/ griefers. Are you aware that the original dev team were basically “greifers” from Ultima Online? They developed a game for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/460 "2021-04-02T12:45:42Z")
Sorry folks, too many interesting posts to reply to in a timely manner. I read and read and some of those posts make me laugh and some others make me cry! I will respond to all, rest assured. I need to go to the doctor in a few minutes. I’ll be reading some more on the way and I’ll also try to respond but environment where I’m going isn’t so fine to think clearly and give genuine answers. This thread is awesome though. Thank you _all_ for participating ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/461 "2021-04-02T12:45:44Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Are you aware that the original dev team were basically “greifers” from Ultima Online? > > They developed a game for themselves. No surprise. Thanks for the info. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437.md?page=24)