# This forum is brutal **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 1, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437 "2021-04-01T14:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/582 "2021-04-02T20:18:07Z")
You can’t drop skill points… and most of it is in in that. 83mill skill points that can’t be ganked 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/583 "2021-04-02T20:19:17Z")
You may not be able to drop SP, but you can lose them if you die in a t3c ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/584 "2021-04-02T20:25:00Z")
And it’s also possible to convince someone to share some of that SP with you in exchange for not being shot! The numbers don’t add up, though. $2,500 for 83 million SP? That’s some **very** inefficient injecting. > [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](#): > > Trust no one… which means avoiding a corp… yet without a corporation and people to have your back and teach you, you’re hosed. (Because documentation while overly abundant really sucks) . An ‘EVE for Dummies’ can’t be written as it would all change in a few months. Yet joining a corp means lost ISK(taxes) to the corp and not really knowing if they have your back, as well as limiting your opportunities to expand in many directions. > > As has been said of Eve in many places, “The only way to win is not to play” yet here I am heavily cash invested trying anyway surrounded by ppl I wouldn’t have a drink with. Let me guess, you lean toward the industrial side of things? Issues with trust are much less common, and the camaraderie is much more pronounced and intense in PvP-centric groups. Kind of a “stand by your brother” thing. Out of all the PvP corporations I’ve been a part of or led, I can’t really think of any major instances of lack of enough trust to at **least** field a faction-fitted battleship with decent implants, and not worry about someone stabbing you in the back. Now, every once in a while there will be a shady person, but the vibes they give off will clue you in on the potential danger long before they become a problem. Those people usually get found out and kicked quickly. Reputation is very important in high-end PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/585 "2021-04-02T20:26:51Z")
You can trust people, but not with your stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/586 "2021-04-02T20:28:27Z")
I disagree. Just don’t trust people with more stuff than is rational. A few billion ISK is a very cheap litmus test for the strength of a friendship, considering how much more you can lose in other ways if that person turns out to be a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/587 "2021-04-02T20:32:01Z")
I don’t trust my own alts with stuff, why the hell would I trust a stranger with it? My trading alt is shady as feck and would sell granny for a profit. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/588 "2021-04-02T20:33:05Z")
Shut up and give me ten billion. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/589 "2021-04-02T20:33:40Z")
Give me 5 first, and I might double it. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/590 "2021-04-02T20:33:40Z")
Yup industry. And yes some significant errors in injection. Didn’t know about Eve Marketer and where to sell plex and buy injectors. So took a significant hit there. But I have 3 structures to put up somewhere and a small fleet of nice ships including an ORCA, Obelisk, a couple Viator’s and a Proteus… But I confess my fav is my Claw. The rest of the investments in BPO’s to back up all of the above and a ton of BPC’s from garbage sale contracts. Theoretically I should be able to grow with _careful_ utilization of the above and being in position to lose any of it… Theoretically. … We shall see. ---
**Author:** ![Vuoliganar\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuoliganar_madeveda/32/264682_2.png) [@Vuoliganar\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuoliganar_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/591 "2021-04-02T20:34:28Z")
Just don’t turn into that guy who lost 500b while transporting BPO’s ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/592 "2021-04-02T20:34:32Z")
have fun being wardecced if you put those structures up ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/593 "2021-04-02T20:35:54Z")
Right!? I read about that one. I’m foolish… not stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/594 "2021-04-02T20:37:19Z")
Vulnerability hours as a single person corp is challenging to figure out. I’ve read enough to know if someone wants to take 'em out they’re gonners. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/595 "2021-04-02T20:37:27Z")
> [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](#): > > Yup industry. And yes some significant errors in injection. Didn’t know about Eve Marketer and where to sell plex and buy injectors. So took a significant hit there. But I have 3 structures to put up somewhere and a small fleet of nice ships including an ORCA, Obelisk, a couple Viator’s and a Proteus… But I confess my fav is my Claw. The rest of the investments in BPO’s to back up all of the above and a ton of BPC’s from garbage sale contracts. > > Theoretically I should be able to grow with _careful_ utilization of the above and being in position to lose any of it… Theoretically. … > > We shall see. You really should run your plans by experienced players, because they’ll be able to point out mathematical inefficiencies, unnecessary risk, etc. My recommendation, though, is to draw down your PvE activities to a point where you can sustain yourself without being burned out, and try out the _other_ major aspect of the game. If you want friendships and fulfilling social interaction, that’s the only way. You will **not** find it from other industrialists. By the way, I’ve successfully defended my war HQ 3 times essentially by myself over the past year. Once by hiring mercenaries to help me out, once by making a deal with the attackers, and once by smearing an enemy fleet in my Hyperion. You’ll just have to come to terms with the fact that owning a structure has additional costs aside from modules and fuel. ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/596 "2021-04-02T20:38:39Z")
Being wardecced is less about losing your structures and more about being camped in hisec without concord to save you. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/597 "2021-04-02T20:39:26Z")
I appreciate the advice. I’m not in this for the friendships and social interaction though. I’m in it for the complex mechanics… They are like cocaine to my brain. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/598 "2021-04-02T20:41:32Z")
I’ve been trying to figure out how / where to hire mercs. Not getting anywhere digging. Any suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/599 "2021-04-02T20:47:38Z")
**Noir. Mercenary Group** and **BLACKFLAG.** are good places to start. My corporation used to do mercenary work too, but all my friends have long since quit the game. That said, I can still provide consultation if you ever need it. ---
**Author:** ![Ka\_lah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ka_lah/32/265557_2.png) [@Ka\_lah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ka_lah)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/600 "2021-04-02T22:18:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Shut up and give me ten billion. LOL… MB Photographer owes me a billion from the bet he lost. D’you think he’ll put his money where his mouth is? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/601 "2021-04-02T22:22:32Z")
I don’t think he **has** a billion. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437.md?page=31)