# This hinders me from playing EVE When i want to **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 7, 2025, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928 "2025-06-07T08:01:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2025, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/82 "2025-06-14T03:28:08Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > šŸ˜› > šŸæ You know as well as I do I donā€™t bother to gank. Too much work when they just fall into your lap in a wh while making isk on the side! šŸ¤£ > [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > My bad. Heā€™s learning? Maybe thereā€™s hope? šŸ˜† ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2025, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/83 "2025-06-14T05:22:50Z")
> **...** > > > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > > > You know as well as I do I donā€™t bother to gank. > > Of course I do but you said you have plenty of free time these days so why not some banter on the forums just for the sake of it? šŸ¤” > > šŸ˜‰ > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Too much work Others tend to claim ganking is easy. šŸ¤” > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You know as well as I do I donā€™t bother to gank. Exactly what a ganker would say who just got found out. šŸ˜ šŸæ ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2025, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/84 "2025-06-14T05:27:11Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I donā€™t bother to gank. Too much work Ah, ganking isnā€™t so easy? šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2025, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/85 "2025-06-14T06:17:32Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ah, ganking isnā€™t so easy? Unless heā€™s so lazy that even the slightest of efforts is too much for him or something. šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/86 "2025-06-15T13:38:23Z")
If ganking is that hard, why did CCP feel the need to nerf it? Usually, anything in eve that is difficult to accomplish gets avoided, not abused enough to warrant any action by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/87 "2025-06-15T19:00:17Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > If ganking is that hard, why did CCP feel the need to nerf it? I donā€™t think they nerfed ganking in the past few years, with the exception of changes to alpha and -10 ganking, which were intended to get rid of alpha freeloaders and poor gankbears who can only afford to target new players. Other changes, such as changes to miner EHP, were all driven by nullsec concerns. My understanding, based on several conversations with CCP staff and members of the CSM, is that CCP does not normally try to balance Highsec. The primary goal is to balance nullsec, and Highsec is a secondary concern. The ā€˜balanceā€™ in Highsec is determined by CONCORD response time. CCPā€™s view is as follows: If itā€™s too hard to gank, go to a lower security status. If itā€™s too hard to survive, go to a higher security status. Beyond that, CCP does not wish to adjust things one way or the other, favoring neither miners nor gankers. Regardless, you seem to be attempting an illogical argument, suggesting that ganking cannot be ā€œhardā€ because it was ā€œeasyā€. This is irrational, because although ganking may have been ā€œeasyā€, nerfs are designed to make things ā€œhardā€. So the fact something was ā€œeasyā€ has no bearing on whether it still is. This is why antigankers need to learn how to gank, in order to actually understand the current process. The only effective antigankers I know are people who have ganking mains, namely myself, Hawk, Jason, and of course Tweeps and Kalorn. Fly SAFE o7! So I spin your question back at you: If ganking is that easy, why hasnā€™t CCP felt the need to nerf it? Why does CCP continue to tolerate ganking? I think the reason is simple enough to understand: CCP doesnā€™t think ganking is ā€œeasyā€. ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/88 "2025-06-15T19:47:19Z")
> [@Kaegrim](#): > > I have to pick a character to delete every time i log in if i want to make a new character. Make more accounts. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/89 "2025-06-16T03:17:10Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I donā€™t think they nerfed ganking in the past few years True in the short term. My argument is that I had to learn a brutal game that you can now just CC into and claim itā€™s too hard. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/90 "2025-06-16T04:14:03Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > This is why antigankers need to learn how to gank, in order to actually understand the current process The best way to teach people to avoid ganksā€¦ is to teach them HOW to gank. Thatā€™s why, back when, I used to take out newbies (or older PVE bears) out on a gank. Just get a few destroyers, make them do the target selection and approaches. Not just the F1 part, because them figuring out the WHY is the important part as the HOW is then, comparatively, easy. And then asses afterwards how it went. This is also explains the ā€œganking is easyā€. Yes the action of targeting and clicking F1-F3 is indeed easy. The trick is the planning, preparation and target selection part. Still not difficult but something that is very often forgotten, mostly because people donā€™t actually _understand_ that part. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/91 "2025-06-16T04:49:56Z")
Iā€™d be interested in learning that. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/92 "2025-06-16T06:47:55Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > My argument is > > ![Untitled](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/2/e/32ee97ee8e3af7d0cdba7415228947c7e4d3b50b.jpeg) šŸ¤­ ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/93 "2025-06-17T01:58:52Z")
It turned out to be ā€œKeep outta my wh.ā€ šŸ¤£ Try holding your own without botting! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-hinders-me-from-playing-eve-when-i-want-to/488928/94 "2025-09-15T01:58:55Z")
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